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From: Eve McLaughlin <>
Subject: Re: [Lon] Church Records and ROSSER and Thanks from SMITH
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:36:47 +0000
In-Reply-To: <04ca01c3d98d$3ada3160$7ae8adcb@charles>



>I am not into point scoring about who has done what,
OK, yes, you have donea lot - I had not connected your name with the
right Keith.

>
>Details included are in the following order
>
>FRC FAMILY RECORDS CENTRE
>LONDON METROPOLITAN ARCHIVES
>WESTMINSTER ARCHIVES
>FREEMASONS HALL
>VOTER ROLLS
>ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY
>IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM
>LONDON PARISH RECORDS
>INDIA OFFICE
>WILLS - SOMERSET HOUSE
not at Somerset House for years now -ref to 'Modern' Wills is better
>ARMY RECORDS
>
>FRC FAMILY RECORDS CENTRE
>
>http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/
>
>(GRO indexes, also once known as St. Caths, held here)
>------------------------------------------------------
>Here you will have free access to the Civil Registration indexes from 1837
>up
>until 1998, and order certificates over the counter for 7.00 UK Pounds each.
>Some restrictions may apply to copies of birth certificates issued after
>1950.
>
>
>The General Registrar Office [England and Wales], in addition to the
>familiar
>Indexes of civil "hatches, matches and dispaches", holds a series of indexed
>"Miscellaneous Registers". These include:
>
>Marine Register Books; Births and deaths of people of British nationality at
>sea since 1 July, 1837.
>
>Air Register Books; Births and deaths in UK-registered aircraft since 1949.
>
>Army Returns of Births, Marriages and Deaths (1881-1955) abroad, but
>excluding
>the two World Wars.
>
>Army Chaplains' Registers of births (1760-1955), marriages (1796-1955) and
>deaths (from 1761).
>
>Army Regimental Registers of Births (from 1761), registers of Marriages on
>HM
>Ships (1849-1889) and deaths (1899-1902) of Field Forces during the wars in
>South Africa.
>
>Royal Air Force Returns, Similar registers since 1920.
>
>Consular Returns. Information on births, marriages and deaths of British
>subjects in foreign countries since 1849, provided they were notified to
>Consular Officials.
>
>Natal and South Africa Field Forces Deaths during the Boer War (1899-1902).
>
>Deaths abroad of Officers and Men in the Three Services (separate volumes)
>during the two World Wars.
>
>
>Also in the same complex you can access the census microfilms or fiche (1891
>only) for the years 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891. The 1881 census has
>been fully indexed.
>
>The IGI is also available as is some access to Civil index information for
>Scotland. The latter you are charged for.
>
>Certificates for England and Wales can be ordered by email using Visa or
>MasterCard. E-Mail address is
>
>
>
>Fax: (0) 1704 55 00 13
>
>If faxing from outside the UK add your international access code plus
>44 1704 55 00 13
>
>Online ordering using credit card
>=========================
>You must have full reference details to use this service and gain the price
>advantage.
>
>http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/
>

>However if you have an address of a friend or relation in the UK you can use
>this service and have the certificates sent to them for on posting to
>yourself. You save 1.50 UK Pounds per certificate using this service
>compared to placing orders via email or fax.
good point - and DO IT NOW. In a year or two, access to records less
than 100 years old, with information that is really useful, is likely to
be severely restricted - silly PC notions - so get in ahead of this or
you will regret it.


>Indexes are online at:
>
>http://www.1837online.com/ has images from the actual GRO index books
>1837 - 1983. It is a pay to view site. In the near future FreeBMD will be
>offering a similar service.

>http://freecen.rootsweb.com/project.htm
no - you mean Freebmd - the census one is not really operational
> provides a searchable database of
>names. Although it concentrates on the years 1837 - 1903 it has limited
data
>for later years as well. It is about 70% complete to 1903. It is a free
to
>view site.
>
>
>Certificate pricing
>---------------------
>
>Over the counter at the FRC = 7-00 UK Pounds
>
>For the 8-50 UK Pound fee you must send ALL details including all reference
>numbers.
>
>A 11-50 UK Pound fee applies for a limited search where reference details
>are not provided.
>
>Recently restrictions have been applied to copies of certificates issued in
>the past 50 years.
>
and this can only get worse.

>Births, marriages and deaths registered in England and Wales
>
>General Register Office
>Smedley Hydro
>Trafalgar Road
Birkdale
>Southport
>PR8 2HH
>
>Telephone +44 (0)870 243 7788
>Mondays to Fridays - 8.00am - 8.00pm
>Saturdays - 9.00am - 4.00pm
>
>Fax +44 (0)1704 550013
>
>e-mail us
>
>When e-mailing the office please include GQ in the e-mail subject field
>to avoid receiving an auto text response.

>
>You can also order birth and death certificates from local Register Offices,
>but although they can supply marriage certificates for civil ceremonies,
>they
>can't always do the same where the marriage took place in a church unless
>you know the church name. The cost is £7-50 each plus postage. For the
>address
>of any such office check at:
>
>http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/blangston/genuki/reg/index.htm
>

>Family Records Centre
>1 Myddleton Street
>Finsbury
>London EC1R 1UW
>(at the corner of Garnault Place and Myddleton Street)
>
>

>Census Printing is 25p per copy (A3 or A4), but 20p per copy if you purchase
>a 5UKP (=25 copies) card.

>LONDON METROPOLITAN ARCHIVES
>--------------------------------
>40 Northampton Road, London EC1R 0HB
>
>HOURS OF OPENING
>Monday, Wednesday, Friday 0930 - 1700
>Tuesday, Thursday 0930 - 1930
>
>Closed first two weeks in November for stocktaking
>
>TELEPHONE (020) 7332 3820
>
>MINICOM (for text phones only) (020) 7278 8703
>FAX (020) 7833 9136
>EMAIL
>WEBSITE http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk
>
>TRANSPORT CONNECTIONS
>
>Similar to those given above for the FRC
>
>See the map at http://www.steeljam.dircon.co.uk/
>
>
>ACCESS
This is the library attached
>Open for reference only to all members of the public. Disabled access via
>lift.

>
>WESTMINSTER ARCHIVES
>---------------------
>www.westminster.gov.uk/archives/

>
>Address:City of Westminster Archives Centre, 10 St Ann's Street, London
>SW1P 2DE
>Telephone: (020) 7641 5180
>Fax: (020) 7641 5179
>Minicom: (020) 7641 4879
>Nearest Tube: St James's Park (District & Circle Lines)
>Nearest Railway station: Victoria
>Buses: 11, 24, 211 along Victoria Street; 88 along Great Smith Street; 507
>along Horseferry Road.
>
>The Archives Centre houses extensive collections relating to Westminster
>past and present.

>
>VOTER ROLLS
>------------
>The British Library has a huge collection of electoral registers, going back
>to the 19th c.
and access to the British Library is not the simplest or fastest thing
in the world - not practical for the casual visitor with not a lot of
time.
>

>You could also check Jeremy Gibson's book, 'Electoral registers since
>1832', 2nd ed., Federation of Family History Societies, 1990. The latter
>does not list the British Library holdings: that would be a book in itself!
electoral registers are not the first thing to go for. You need to know
where the family lived before you can use them at all, and no family
details are ever shown, until 1929, when females over 21 got the vote. .
Directories are a much simpler source, especially for tradesmen.

>
>

>----------------------
>
>There is a list of museums on the Internet at
>http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists-f-j/history-sources/files/military-museums,

>LONDON PARISH RECORDS
>----------------------
>
>No one collection, but three main ones which will probably help the most:
>
>Guildhall Library, Aldermanbury, London. EC2P 2EJ
> - for the parishes in the City of London
>
>City of Westminster Archives Centre,
>10 St. Anne's Street, London SW1P 2XR.
>- for most of the parishes in the City of Westminster
>
>London Metropolitan Archives (formerly Greater London Record Office),
>40 Northampton Road, London EC1R 0HB
>- for most of the rest of 'London'. with copies of several Westminster
parishes (eg Marylebone)
>
>You won't find marriage or birth certificates, only parish registers,
>or bishops transcripts,
and very, very few BTs before 1800 in London


>It's going to be important to know the parish, or at least the vicinity
>(so you can try a small number of parishes). There really were (are) a
>huge number of people living in London.
very good point - also emphasise that a registration district with a
'church' name is not the same as the parish of that dedication.


>INDIA OFFICE
>------------
>
>British Library, Oriental and India Office Collections
>(formerly India Office Library and Records (IOLR))
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>British Library
>Oriental and India Office Collections
>96 Euston Road
>St. Pancras NW1 2BD
>London
>Phone: +(44) (0) 207 412 7111
>Nearest underground stations are Euston and Kings Cross
>
>Hours Mon - Sat 9:30 - 17:00
>

>
>WILLS - SOMERSET HOUSE
>-----------------------
>
>The records have been moved
several years ago
> to First Avenue House,
42-49 High Holborn
>....
>
>Correspondence section
>York District Probate SubRegistry,
>FirstFloor, Castle Chambers,
>Clifford St,
>York YO1
9RG
>
>They send copies for 5 Pounds a time, if you supply date to nearer year or
>two. Actually ordering the wills registers at First Ave House in London
>costs 5 Pounds also, but the faxed copies received are not always clear.

>If you want personnel records, those for WW1 are at the National Archives
>(was PRO ) Kew.
>Those for post 1920/WW2 are at:
>
>Army Personnel Centre
>Historical Disclosures
>HQ Secretariat
>Mailpoint 400 Kentigern House
>65 Brown St,
>GLASGOW G2 8EX
>
>You will need to apply on their form and supply evidence of
relationship The
>cost is normally 20+ pounds, whether they have surviving records or
not.And you need the patience of Job and all his family.

>
>Medal Rolls for W1 are also held at the National Archives, Kew
>
>
Yes, a useful summary of the london sources, Keith - and i hope every
new chum takes a copy
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

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