LONDON-L ArchivesArchiver > LONDON > 2004-03 > 1078673104
From: "John Henley" <>
Subject: Re: [Lon] Farriers.
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:25:04 -0000
----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret widdop"
> There is a wondeful site: 'The Worshipful Company of Carmen', which I
> presume> to be part of the 'Farriers'. I found this site by putting
> Google. > My G.Grandfather was a 'carman' in the late 1880's/
> early 1900's. It is very informative and has many splendid photos etc.
> And I think is in still in use today.> Cheers> Maggie
Hmmmm...not quite :-)
The Carmen's Company has a long and chequered history, beginning formally in
the 16th century as a the Fellowship of Carmen. The other city companes
considered that being a carman was not a skilled trade, and tho' the City
was anxious to regulate the carmen, it was not enamoured of their becoming a
The fellowship was under the aegis of Christ's Hospital fr a very long time,
and the Woodmen's Company, who felt they had the right to operate cars to
convey their fuel, also had a stormy relationship with the carmen.
IIRC the Carmen finally got their livery in the 1840s, and were not formally
incorporated as a Company by Royal Charter until 1947. he Company now is
strong and takes a keen interest in road haulage of all kinds.
(still catching up on masses of emails )
using Archive CDs - see
and researching (and not finding much time for - but always very glad to
hear of any)
HENLEY, PARKER, PRENTICE, SECKER, RAPER, DURDEN
ROLFE, (O)RAFFERTY, EVANS, PARSONS, SYMONDS [IN Berks/Hants/Wilts]
HILL [IN Staffs/Cambs/Berks]
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