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From: "Nida Rogers" <>
Subject: Re: [Lon] 3 Carter St.. Walworth, Newington
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:18:22 +0800
References: <v04220801bf367e982b45@[24.67.20.92]> <00b801c5aba2$7c739b50$6501a8c0@DavidandPat>


Hello David,

Now that we have a "challenge" <grin>, may I refer you to:

http://www.motco.com/MAP/81006

After the place name index has loaded, scroll-down and
click-on: Carter Street (20,14), where you will find Manor Street
as a western extension of Carter Street.

Now, navigate to the north and you will see that Manor Place in 1862
is still the same as 2005.

Best regards,
Iain Rogers, Hong Kong, China.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Halliday" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Lon] 3 Carter St.. Walworth, Newington


> G'day all, especially Liz,
>
> Dare I buy into this one please? - as I'm willing to bet there would not
> be
> too many others on the List who would know those streets better than me.
>
> You see - my grandparents used to live approximately where the pub was -
> but
> a bit higher up - i.e on the 8th floor of the council flats that were
> built
> there some time after WWII. - and I spent a great deal of my childhood and
> misspent youth around there.
>
> Ian from Honkers got it pretty well right - though I wonder whether his
> view
> of "Manor Street" is in quite the right place. The next street to the
> north
> of Penrose Street and parallel to it is Manor Place - still there. Used
> to
> have a public baths and swimming pool (essential in an area where the
> houses
> didn't have bathrooms!) to which I regularly went as a kid. There could
> well have been both a Manor Street and a Manor Place of course. (There is
> a
> Manor Street in Clapham about 3 miles away - funnily enough it too had
> public baths)
>
> However, the houses in Carter Street date from about the 1840s and were
> more
> up market than those in Penrose Street. Some of the better ones at the
> Lorrimer Square end had basements and attics - in other words, they were
> built with servants quarters. Seems odd that there was a name change
> subsequent to that but maybe it had something to do with the building of
> the
> railway line (1850s I think?)
>
> Now - the pub.
>
> No 1 Carter Street (now Carter Place) was - and still is as far as I know,
> the Police Station, which when I was a kid, had a fine garden behind it.
>
> No. 3 (the pub?) may possibly have ceased to exist when the railway line
> was built, as the railway viaduct at that point runs immediately behind
> the
> police station. But there is another possibility - read on.
>
> Immediately the other side of the viaduct, is Penrose House, a great slab
> sided council block of flats (in the 50's and 60's), where my grandparents
> lived. This too could have covered the site of the pub.
>
> Carter Street was a through street at least up until WWII.
>
> Now - in immediate post war London, the first place that the authorities
> built large scale blocks of flats were on flattened bomb sites - and the
> railway line would have been a likely target.
>
> So- it might be worth checking whether or not this was the case for Carter
> Street - because that could also be a reason for the demise of the pub.
>
> Hope this provides some illumination even if no help :-)
>
> David of Oz
> p.s. If you ever get there - across Walworth Road from Carter Place is
> the legendry East Street (known universally as East Lane) - one of the
> most famous Street Markets in London. We still have bedlinen bought from
> a stall there just after we married - in the early 60s.
>
>

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