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From: "jeanne mccormick" <>
Subject: Re: Re: [Lon] Apprenticeship records
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:18:27 +0100
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Yes, the same family I think, although *I* have James married on 5th August
1817 to Mary Ann Allsop. Either your friend, or I, have an error......I
will check all my details. James was a son of the Richard I was talking
about I think.
Do let me know if I have errors....or maybe your friend would email me?
Jeanne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Shingleton" <>
To: <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Lon] Apprenticeship records


>
>
> Any relation to James Covington Master Lighterman (1789-1855)
> who was married to Mary Ann Beauchamp (1794-1855).
>
> A friend of mine is descended from their daughter Mary Ann Covington
> 1832-1913 (married 1858 to William Henry Trengrove (1834-1878)).
>
> These Covingtons were I believe lighterman with offices in Mile End Road
> (by Limehouse Basin). May also have been based at City Basin if memory
> serves correct.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mike mailto:
>
>
> From: jeanne mccormick <>
> To:
> Date: Thursday, April 6, 2006, 9:31:42 AM
> Subject: [Lon] Apprenticeship records
>
>
>
>
> Don't be dismissive of Lightermen not being "high-clyers"
>
> My ancestor Richard COVINGTON was a Lighterman and ended his life as
> "Citizen and Gentleman" and Freeman of the City of London. His will
> showed
> he had considerable assets - all, I hasten to add, earned and accrued in
> his
> lifetime.
> "High-flyer" is a relative term, I think.
> Jeanne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gen Mail" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Lon] Apprenticeship records
>
>
>
>> On Tuesday, Apr 4, 2006, at 17:32 Europe/London, Eve McLaughlin wrote:
>
>>>>>> Would SKS please be able to tell me how I would go about finding
>>>>>> apprenticeship records for my missing Thomas?
>
>>>>> With great difficulty. Apprenticeship records were taxed to 1811
>>>>> (records to 1808) but after that, apart fgrom the high flyers whose
>>>>> apprenticeship bindings are recorded by the London livery companies,
>
>>>> My spouse's very non high-flying great grandfather was apprenticed in
>>>> the Shipwrights Company in August 1844 and became Free on 29 April 1852
>>> That was a very good trade, definitely high flying and not to be
>>> scorned.
>>> Shipwrights insisted on properly training and proper paperwork after
>>> many of the trades had given up. And, to an extent, it was a closely
>>> guarded craft, tending to be hereditary in certain families. If his
>>> father wasn't in the craft, then it is worth investigating if his
>>> mother's kin were.
>
>> He was a Lighterman - and the results were not spectacular. He was a
>> member of the Society of Watermen and Lighterman. His father was a
>> Lighterman and died young, his uncle was a Lighterman, his grandfather
>> was a Lighterman and seemed to disappear without trace. His mother's
>> family were also Lightermen. There were no high flyers - at least in my
>> interpretation of this description. One son was a postman, another son
>> was a coal agent after having been a pawnbroker's assistant, another a
>> tramcar driver and another kept a newsagent shop. All ordinary,
>> respectable people, but nothing outstanding. Just plain working class
>> Londoners, although as far as I can tell, no criminals either. However,
>> no
>> schoolmasters or 'gentlemen', ie people who had earned sufficient money
>> to
>> live on their own means.
>
>>>> Another seemingly run-of the-mill apprentice was James Burford, the
>>>> son of a Labourer in Kingsland Road, who was apprenticed to George
>>>> McKewan, Citizen and Spectaclemaker on 23 April 1841
>
>>> That's great - it sounds as if he must have had a patron, or shown a lot
>>> of natural talent, since premiums for an apprenticeship of that skill
>>> were quite high.
>
>> I have not looked at the full apprenticeship details - only the entry in
>> the Apprentice Inrolments, of which there were many, even after 1811. I
>> may do so, to satisfy my own curiosity. There are also numerous
>> apprenticeships of 'poor boys from Greenwich Hospital' apprenticed to
>> masters of boats/ships.
>
>> Jay
>
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