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From: David Roberts <>
Subject: Re: [LON] Italian Quarter, London
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:32:21 +0000
Many thanks Nivard, for your efforts.
I think I might try a little exploration of the origins of Carlo Gatti (now
Carlo Gatti and Stevensons, I think).
It might just be the name of the company's founder!
On 9 December 2010 10:08, Nivard Ovington <> wrote:
> Hi David
> He is recorded as Alfred Dalvaetio son of Thomas & Anne PALMER
> Baptised Jan 12th
> Born Nov 31st (1861 inferred)
> Abode Drury Lane
> Fathers occupation Butcher
> Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St George, Bloomsbury, in the County
> Middlesex, in the year 1862
> A search on Ancestry for Dalvaetio has just one hit, the above Baptism
> A search on google for Dalvaetio gets no hits at all which tells a tale
> D'Alvaetio gets just one hit on google, a posting of yours
> Del Veccio gets (millions) of hits with variations of
> Del Vecchio
> If it was a previous generation you would think it would be used in one of
> the first childrens names
> It could be a family friend or acquaintance
> My mother in law was middle named Leona after the midwife who delivered
> there could be a similar situation with yours
> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
> > Hello List!
> > I find this most interesting.
> > My great grandfather, Thomas Palmer (1817-1897), had butcher's shops on
> > Drury Lane and later at 21 New Street (now New Row), Covent Garden.
> > Each of his 7 sons had a butcher shop - all with fairly ordinary names,
> > except Alfred (1861 - 1919), whose middle name was D'Alvaetio. On his
> > Death
> > Certificate it became Del Veccio.
> > Why would a parent choose such a name? I have wondered whether Alfred
> > might
> > have been the result of a *liaison dangereuse *and was christened in
> > memory
> > of a former lover. More likely, I think, the family had an Italian
> > friend(s) and Alfred was christened such in recognition of this. The
> > Italian connection of which I am aware was that of Carlo Gatti, ice
> > makers,
> > who delivered ice to the shop weekly. So perhaps Thomas was very
> > with the boss - who might just have been called D'Alvaetio?
> > One of Alfred's brothers, who was interested in the family history, told
> > my
> > mother that the family had Spanish origins. There certainly was another
> > relative, I recall, who had a very Spanish or Italian appearance.
> > Is anyone familiar with the name of D'Alvaetio or Del Veccio? Is it
> > Italian
> > or Spanish? There might be a chance of finding the name in the baptism
> > marriage registers of a local church.
> > Thomas and his wife were married at St George's, Bloomsbury, in 1845.
> > Any comments would be most welcome.
> > David Roberts
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