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From: "Christine Benson" <>
Subject: Re: [LON] Grieves Family
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 23:45:15 -0000
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Hi Barrie,

Have you found Sarah in 1841 and 1851? In 1841 there is a Sarah GREVES
living with Sarah, presumably mother, and Harriott 6 months, with a George
GREENE, 47, porter. They are living in St Leonard Shoreditch. The children
are born in county, the adults are not. The entry is not very legible so I
wouldn't like to guarantee the names.

Could this be your Sarah? If it is then the age of Harriott fits in with
James' presumed death. Have you got the certificate for that and checked the

I would follow the mother and Harriott on the censuses to see if that gives
you more info. There are births registered for Harriet GREEVES in Romford
and Harriet GROVES in Westminster in the Jun quarter of 1840. Neither of
those is quite right but you could apply for the certificate giving the
parents names. Then if they are wrong you don't lose your money.

Hope this helps,


-----Original Message-----
From: Barrie Tippins
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: [LON] Grieves Family

I have a Sarah GRIEVES, born about 1834 who married Richard GOVETT in August
1859. Richard dies early August 1860 and their child Sarah is born two weeks
later in August 1860.
On their marriage certificate, Sarah states that her father is James Grieves
and gives his profession as Waiter. She does not indicate that he is
deceased as at 24 July 1859,being the date of their marriage.

I have also found in Find My Past Parish Records Collection that a James
William Grieves marries Sarah Brinkworth in 1825. The source of this data is
Boyds Marriage Index 1538-1840. They were married
at St Lawrence Jewry in London near Guildhall.

I have also found a death of a James Grieves on FreeBMD - March quarter 1840
in St Olave, Southwark. I have not been able to find a suitable James
Grieves in the 1841 or 1851 census bearing in mind that Sarah Grieves has
consistently given her place of birth as Westminster, London or Middlesex
and therefore I believe that the James Grieves for whom I am searching would
be living in the London area.
If the James Grieves married in 1825 is the same James Grieves who is Sarah
Grieves father born about 1834 and the same James Grieves who died in the
March quarter of 1840, that explains why James Grieves does not appear in
either the 1841 or the 1851 census.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can tie James GRIEVES being
married in 1825 with the James GRIEVES dying in March quarter 1840 and the
James GRIEVES who is noted on Sarah and
Richard's marriage certificate in August 1859?

I would have liked to be able to take Sarah's family back a generation or
two but that might be too difficult from Australia. Maybe that might have to
wait until I visit London in the future.

Barrie (in cold and wet Blue Mountains)

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