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From: "David Kearney" <>
Subject: Re: [LDR] Website Attribution
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:05 -0500
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Russ, That's a pretty nifty citation machine! I would like to see the site cite master add in some sources that come into play maybe more when working with family histories, including, for instance, letters, postcards, unpublished oral histories reduced to writing by others, unrecorded interviews, and "family notes on napkins!" But it's a great start!!

Dave K
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Here is a sugestion and information on the proper way to document a web site for a bibliography. Have her go to this website http://citationmachine.net/. It will give an outline and the resources. If you have more specific questions my wife is a librarian well versed in citation rules.

Russ Hatton

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From: "David Kearney" <>

> Jim, Good advice to keep a copy of the cited webpage. I have been "fooled" more
> than once (shame on me) when I've tried to go back to a website to fill in
> material that I had drawn from the site only to find that the site no longer
> exists and is nowhere to be found. Sites, indeed, are evanescent.
>
> I think I have my print settings set to include the web address and date on hard
> copies that I print off. However, sometimes when I've saved a webpage on my pc
> I forget to add in the web address itself, which is important from a citation
> standpoint. One approach for preserving the address electronically is to save
> the page in HTML format ... this results in a larger file typically than would
> result through saving the page in TXT format, but much of the original "look" of
> the page is preserved in HTML and the original address can be found (on an IE
> browser) by going to VIEW/SOURCE on the tabs at the top.
>
> Another approach is to edit the saved page to insert the original web address
> onto the saved page itself. Some websites do this for you, particularly current
> news items, but I wish every site did so, or that there was a way to "stamp" the
> address automatically when saving the page as an electronic file.
>
> As someone else pointed out, including the date in the citation is important,
> too, because even if the web address remains, content often changes. Another
> little fussy point ... when I find something in a web search in "cache," but no
> longer on the "actual page," I thank my lucky stars that I have "caught" the
> information before it disappears from the web, and then try to remember to mark
> "[cache]" at the end of the citation. These finds definitely should be copied.
>
> People should keep in mind that although there is overlap between the need to
> provide source citations and copyright protection, the two also are issues each
> their own also .... just as providing source citations does not settle most
> copyright infringement issues, so should one keep and display source citations
> as a matter of research integrity, apart from any copyright concerns.
>
> I thought it would be good to mention the above thoughts mostly to remind myself
> to do these things, because even knowing better, I too often forget or get into
> too much of a hurry saving things or inputting them into the genealogy database
> that I forget to properly keep track of the sources. :-)
>
> Dave Kearney

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