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From: "Donal O'Kelly" <>
Subject: Re: [LO] Ongoing problem with spam from RW
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:13:25 -0700
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David, by comparison I get 600 to 800 emails a day and have yet to find one
sent by rootsweb caught in a spam filter.

As for handling, I would rather get requests as they come. If I let them
stack up even two days, it takes over an hour to address all of them.

Now you can tell from the subject line usually that it is spam. If it is
spam, why should we have to deal with it at all?

Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "David E. Cann" <>
To: "Listowners List Posting" <>
Cc: "Rob Jackson (w)" <>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 12:11 PM
Subject: [LO] Ongoing problem with spam from RW


> My fellow Admins,
>
> I am not in any way interested in starting another controversy on this
> list
> over the features of Mailman, but does anyone other than me prefer setting
> all of his lists (nearly 100 in my case, including a number of very slow
> ones) to send him the moderation requests immediately as they arrive,
> rather
> than all at once at the end of the day? I have always preferred to use
> this
> feature, since I can deal with it a few at a time as they occur rather
> than
> all at once. Unfortunately, when I do it this way all of the moderation
> requests are caught by my ISP's very efficient spam filters where I have
> to
> go through the added step of either replying to them there or forwarding
> them to my inbox. However, they remain caught as recognized spam sent by
> RootsWeb, where each bach of them increases the liklihood of a future
> block
> of RootsWeb by EarthLink for sending so much spam out.
>
> Do any of my fellow List Admins use this feature to receive moderation
> requests immediately, and do you likewise find an awful lot of "spam from
> RootsWeb" caught in your provider's spam filters? What do you do with it,
> and more importantly how do you reply to it? I am currently getting a
> couple dozen such mod requests a day, which cannot be at all helpful when
> it
> is considered overall by folks who take spam filtering serious, which
> Mailman apparently does not do. If EarthLink, and presumably other
> providers as well, can filter out the legitimate spam so easily then why
> can't RW and/or Mailman? And don't say that we need to keep using defang
> to
> "train the filters" because nobody did that for EarthLink and they have
> stopped it 100% all along, and that is exactly why Andrew as one of his
> last
> acts in office had to jump through so many hoops when EL blocked RootsWeb
> totally for the first time ever for this very reason. EarthLink had never
> blocked RW before, not even once, and I have been with them for nearly 8
> years now. I understand RW is now whitelisted, but it is not hard to
> imagine that when so much spam is still getting caught in their spam
> filters
> on a regular basis, all coming from RootsWeb, that they will finally
> consider blocking it again.
>
> For this reason, I have just filed yet another posting on the subject to
> the
> Help Desk for whatever good it will do. However, considering all of the
> others in the past that I have filed without so much as a response or
> acknowlegement, I have no grand illusions on success this time either. Is
> this of any concern to anyone else out there, or am I in a "minority of
> one?" Any ideas on what more I can do in order to make progress in
> stopping
> the spam from coming through unabated? It is all a part of a larger
> problem
> that, in my opinion, we get far too many moderation requests as VOLUNTEER
> admins in the first place, but if RootsWeb stopped just the spam from
> coming
> through then the remainder would be legitimate requests for moderation,
> and
> a very small number of them.
>
>
> David E. Cann
>
> (alternate)
>
>
>
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