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From: (T&R Gowett)
Subject: [MA-MENDON] catholic baptism/legal name
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:44:58 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: MA-MENDON-D-request@rootsweb.com's message of Mon, 21 May 200121:00:33 -0700



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Alice, Jan and Alison-Thank you for the information!
I had also posted the catholic baptism question to the NYC list, and
most people answered that the baptism was left to the descretion of the
individual priest. :-D
Rose

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Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864


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MA-MENDON-D DigestVolume 01 : Issue 62

Today's Topics:
#1 [MA-MENDON] catholic baptism 1899- [ (T&R Gowett)]
#2 [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-1902 [ (T&R Gowett)]
#3 Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-19 ["Alice Palladini;" <]
#4 Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-19 []
#5 Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-19 ["Alison" <>]

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Would the catholic church baptise the child of an unmarried woman about
1899-1902?
thanks,
Rose

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
Last words of union General John
Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864

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Would the child of an unmarried couple HAVE to be given the last name of
the father?.................FINALLY got some info on my great
grandmother-she never married grandmas daddy! So here I was, looking for
the birth/baptism cert.s on Mary Curley, when maybe I should have
searched for Mary Riley!...and I was searching for Marys mom, Ellen
(Riley) Curley, who actually was Ellen Curley her entire life! >SIGH<
Rose

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
Last words of union General John
Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864

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Hi All.
Rose that is a good question?? Also on Birth Certificates??
Back in those days was the father named or were all written as
unknown , if not wed??
I have been on many list and been doing genealogy over 20 years and
this question has never arisen..
I was a God Parent in the late 1940's for an unwed mother.. Although
she knew the father, the birth record had
Father: Unknown. and of course the child carried her maiden name.
(think this was the norm back then?? )
The priest had not noticed till after the Baptism was over and we
were back in the car and he came running out wanting to talk with
us.,we presumed . :) The Godparents (2) and Mother was with us..
However when my hubby , the driver , saw him (the Priest alight) he
quickly drove off! :)
Other than that experience, I do not have a answer to this
question?? Does anyone else??

I know in the 17/1800's the names of some (anyway) illegitimate
children were named on the birth record.
One example is a Pickering. VR'S says see Cook; Cook says see
Pickering: So both the Cook and Pickering have the child's name.
He died later, so I have no way of knowing whether he would have
been a Cook or a Pickering. :)
Anyone else have any ideas?
Alice

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Re the father's name on the birth certificate....

At least 50 years ago, the name of the father was left blank on a birth
certificate. As to baptism in the Catholic Church- not sure but the
Episcopal Church at that time certainly was reluctant to baptize a child out
of wedlock.

Like you, Alice, I was Godmother to a child born in that situation-good thing
that times have changed!

Jan

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Hi Rose:
No not necessarily. The child could carry either the father's name or the
mother's. In some cases if the father was listed on the birth certificate,
then the child would more than likely take the father's name. If not, then
more likely to have the mother's name. Not set in stone.
Regards,
Alison Franks
Archivist, Rawson Family Association
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> Would the child of an unmarried couple HAVE to be given the last name of
> the father?.................FINALLY got some info on my great
> grandmother-she never married grandmas daddy! So here I was, looking for
> the birth/baptism cert.s on Mary Curley, when maybe I should have
> searched for Mary Riley!...and I was searching for Marys mom, Ellen
> (Riley) Curley, who actually was Ellen Curley her entire life! >SIGH<
> Rose
>
> "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
> Last words of union General John
> Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864
>
>
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