From: "Dora Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] I have a hard one
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:06:11 -0600
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Phyllis, we aren't picking on you. I don't not like you. I checked the
time I got the e-mail before concluding that for some reason you're still
resisting the now proven fact that these people changed the form and
spelling of their name from one minute to the next.
I have now been educated to know that maybe they couldn't spell, but given
the history you tell us it's as likely that quite well educated people were
re-creating and re-spelling the name from the original Gaelic when I've got
an idea Carolin was closer to it. I could be wrong on that. I'm still
stuck on Carolin the harpist, and if there was anyone whose name I'd expect
to be original... Alot of people wrote these records who really didn't
care that much. With my Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors the problem was that
a wide variety of English spellings was phonetically correct in German.
As in the 50 ways to spell Burkhart and my 4x great grandmother's name that
appeared as Borcher. Note that ch and kh are pronounced very similarly in
German. Read it in English and it's a regular joke.
I can see that you're very proud and your family has put alot of work into
preserving their heritage. But it's hard to help you if you resist the
fact that the spelling and form of their names could change, and people
proved to you it DID change, and why are you being this resistant to that
fact?
We want to help you, but you keep getting huffy and all hurt feelings! If
you won't check for alternative spellings and forms of that name, you won't
find your people, and there's an end to it! I've got some water bugs to
go find, and a creek to photograph!
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] I have a hard one
>
> Is this pick on Phyllis time I have been doing this quite awhile and i
> know all the ins and outs
> I have been to ireland and all over did research in PRONI and i know
> my whole line and most of my family was always in Cambridge
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Barbara & George Grenier wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I'm going to jump in. I've been looking at all these messages
>> quickly and
>> may have missed something. You know, Carland/Carlin or whatever wasn't
>> anything to me but this one when you mentioned Kerlin. Well!! I may
>> have to
>> go back and check out the comments. I would guess Phyllis hasn't been
>> doing genealogy long. I have an Irish name (or think they're mine-
>> working
>> on it) Now an easy name like Griffin. Not counting Griffen, I come
>> across Griffy several times. One time was a German priest, so ok
>> but in
>> the middle of Ohio, well there are/were lots of Germans but didn't
>> think
>> they were the clerks of court. Gryphen, and I suspect some Griffiths
>> and I
>> found Grievy and I know it was Griffin and so forth.
>>
>> Barbara
>> Southern California
>>
>>
>> At 03:49 PM 12/31/08, you wrote:
>>> Phyllis, now that we're on the same page, I wonder how the name
>>> Carland
>>> originated, and if someone could have thought Carlin was the original
>>> version. It sounds like something of a proud family. Not to
>>> mention the
>>> attitude of teh record keepers about those ethnics. But the name
>>> was
>>> surely originally spelled in Gaelic. Are you sure they aren't
>>> equally
>>> correct?
>>>
>>> Here's a discussion from http://bbs.mayo-ireland.ie.
>>>
>>>
>>> Carland, Carlin, Carolan, or Kerlin
>>>
>>> The name Carland is not found in the Church records at Claudy as
>>> they only
>>> go back to 1863 and I need earlier dates. The English registrars
>>> wrote the
>>> name down in various forms from the Gaelic. I am looking for
>>> information on
>>> Patrick Carland who married Ann Kirleu or Kirlen.
>>>
>>> http://bbs.mayo-ireland.ie/WebX? type="text/javascript">DisplayMail('98.RhH6ewTOLQi.0','50');@.3b9db617
>>>
>>> I am familiar with the name Carolan. It is the name of a famous
>>> Irish
>>> harpist and composer of what is now known as Celtic music.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Dora Smith
>>> Austin, TX
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MAMiddle] I have a hard one
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes that is correct and Tom died in Cambridge funny story on that
>>>> burial went to Mount Benedict West Roxbury because he waas in with
>>>> Rose Carland and a granddaughter long story but to cut it short they
>>>> shipped the body to Holy Ghost Malden he is next to some other
>>>> family
>>>> members and the brother I knew all my life but did not know he was
>>>> an
>>>> Uncle he was our postman is also in there.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help
>>>> On Dec 31, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Sue Richart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thomas's surname was spelled Carlin for his Dec 12th, 1875 vol 270
>>>>> pg 106
>>>>> Boston birth record, parents, John and Margaret were living at 155
>>>>> Endicott
>>>>> Street.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sue Richart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My G Grandfather was married in Oct 1870 to Margaret Doherty
>>>>>>>>> his name was Carland had two boys my grandfather Thomas and Bro
>>>>>>>>> Patrick born in 1872
>>>>>>>>> Tom was born Dec 23 1875
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my problem is can not find any of them on the 1880
>>>>>>>>> John and Margaret Carland
>>>>>>>>> two sons
>>>>>>>>> Patrick and Thomas
>>
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