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From: DEBORAH CRIDDLE <>
Subject: Re: [MARTIN-HENRY] Lucy Martin
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:25:20 -0700
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I totally agree. My daughter, Stephanie and I were looking at this and it just doesn't make since. I think everyone is linking this family wrong. There has got to be another generation in there we are missing. Is it possible they have the same names? Yes, of course, we see that a lot around this time frame.



I have another line (Gunnels) that is the same way. Everybody named everyone with the same names and it is has made it really a lot of fun working it out.



Let me throw this out to you. Is it possible that Todd isn't even her last name?

Deborah Criddle



> From:
> To:
> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:56:27 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MARTIN-HENRY] Lucy Martin
>
> Yes of course a typo 1748-1813. Sorry.
>
> The marriage of John Martin and Lucy Todd in 1742 in King Geo Co cannot
> possibly be the correct Lucy who married John 1748-1813 of Spotsylvania
> County. And it now has been duplicated on several places on the web which
> frustrates me.
>
> Lucy is buried in Jessamine County, Kentucky and her tombstone gives her
> birth date as 3 Dec 1761. She was much younger than John. Their first
> child was born between 1780-90 which fits her coming of child bearing years.
> John who dies in Spotsylvania in 1813 was born about 1748 -the 1748 date is
> estimated as he was a minor and the orphan son of John who died in 1748.
> Even if that date is off by a few years he would not be getting married in
> 1742 and be an orphan minor in 1748.
>
> And even if the tombstone of Lucy was misread - I have visited it and it is
> very worn - and she was born in the 1740's closer to the age of hubby she
> cannot be the Lucy that married in 1742. The John and Lucy of King George
> County thus being of a different generation.
>
> Her chronology:
>
> 1761 Birth Date {Howard Teater, JESSAMINE CO Kentucky CEM REC VOL 2, p 51,}
> cemetery photos 1994 taken by Teresa Martin Klaiber
>
>
> 1780, Ap 20 John Martin Spts Co and [BLANK] his wife to James Marye of
> co. 800 lbs 100a in St Geo Parish. No wit. 20 Ap 1780
>
> 1780 ABOUT child James H born
>
> 1784 Feb, 19 deed of Mary Pottet w/o John land to son John Penny. Witness
> included James Hawkins, Jno. Martin, Lucy Martin Virginia CO REC
> Vol 1, Wm Crozier, 1978 p 378 [Mary m---Penny 2 John Skeaths/Skeats 3
> John Pottet]
>
> 1786, Feb 26 , Orange County, Virginia Will of JAMES HAWKINS "...item I
> give to
> my grand daughter LUCY MARTAIN wife of John Martane of Spotsylvania
> County one Negro man...one Negro girl...is now in possession of
> John Martain..." [C Conser, Orange Co Va Clerks Office WBk 3-105/6
> microfilm roll, drawer 0-34 - ] {note 1782 James Hawkins
> listed in 1782 Orange 2 white 4 black
>
>
> 1813 Mar James H. marries in Spotsylvania County to Susan Olive
> 1813 Probate 3 May Spotsylvania Co Va cited as widow/o John
>
> 1820 Census Fayette Co Ky
>
> 1821 Spotsylvania Co Va DB W p 384 agrees to dispose of 200 a
> of decd husband to son John for 1500 acres in SHELBY Co Ky
>
> 1823 Jessamine Co Ky Tax Lists LDS 0008084 p 24 no acres 1-1-1-1
> 1824 Jessamine Co Ky Tax Lists LDS 0008084 p 22 no land 2-1-2-1
> 1825 Jessamine Co Ky Tax Lists LDS 0008084 p 22 2-2-2-1
> 1828 Jessamine Co Ky Tax Lists LDS 0008084 p 30 0-2-3-3
> 1828 Jessamine Co Ky; m consent; daugh Lucy to Benj Marshall
> 1829 Jessamine Co Ky Tax Lists LDS 0008084 p 35 0-2-2-3
> 1830 Jessamine Co Census 1 male under 5, 2 males 20-30, two females 20-30
> one femal 70-80
> 1830 Jessamine Co Ky Tax Lists LDS 0008084, p 30 line 5 0-2-3-4
> 1833 1 Sep Jessamine Co Ky; prop to be sold at d
> 1834 2 Jan death from tombstone
> 1834 8 Feb Jessamine Co Ky Probate Inv [mrtn.008]
> 1834 14 Feb, Jessamine Co Ky acct of sale [Jessamine Co D-471,
> MARTIN FAMILY QTLY Vol VI, May 1980, p 7,
> and typed KHS notes in KHS Martin vf,]
>
> BURIAL: Clyde Hayden Farm, 1255 Logana Road Note:close to Marble Crk &
> Marble Crk Rd 1994}
> Bronaugh-Sherley Cemetery Jessamine Jessamine County, Kentucky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of DEBORAH CRIDDLE
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:27 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [MARTIN-HENRY] Lucy Martin
>
>
> Hi Theresa, long time since we have talked to each other.
>
>
>
> Your dates on This is Lucy wife of John 1848-1813. are strange. I am
> assuming you mean 1748 -1813?
>
>
>
> Peggy and Alicia Tipton gave me the information of Lucy Todd and John
> Martin. They stated that Todd and Hawkins were her parents.
>
>
>
> I just came across a marriage record on-line stating 05 Nov 1742 in King
> George County, Virginia a Lucy Todd and John Martin were married.
>
>
> Deborah Criddle
>
>
>
> > From:
> > To:
> > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:54:14 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [MARTIN-HENRY] Lucy Martin
> >
> > Thanks for quick reply. I have that Lucy as well in database. This is Lucy
> > wife of John 1848-1813. After John died in Spots Co she moved to KY and
> > died ther 1834. She is cited in a will as the grand daughter of a James
> > Hawkins but I can't figure out if it is maternal or paternal.
> >
> > Sure miss talking with Kay and Peggy.
> >
> > Benjamin 1st cousin to my John. John s/o John and Ann and grandson of
> > Henry.
> >
> > Ancestry has my John married to Lucy Todd which has never panned out for
> me
> > either. Wrong age wrong place wrong time but seems whoever submitted to
> > Ancestry thought since that was the "published record" of a John in that
> > area it must be correct. All I know for certain is the Hawkins connection.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of
> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:35 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [MARTIN-HENRY] Lucy Martin
> >
> > I have a Lucy Martin in my line....show year of birth as 1762, parents are
>
> > Benjamin and Sarah Martin. Married John McClure 28 Nov 1786 in Lincolin
> > County, KY, had daughter Sarah "Sally" McClure, born 1795 in KY. Hope this
>
> > helps. Sue C Martin
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