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From: "Pamela J. Sears" <>
Subject: Fwd[Ma-Bay-Colony] questions? Rebecca Bangs/Jonathan Sparrow
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:09:14 -0500


Dear Christie,

Please take a deep breath, and understand that you (and the alligator)
are both correct, but talking about two very different women named
Rebecca Bangs who happen to be 3 generations apart. Both are daughters
of Edward Bangs, but one is the immigrant, and the other his grandson.
If not an apology, you at least owe some kind words of misunderstanding
regarding your analysis of the Message posted to MA-BAY-COLONY :-).

Please scroll down.

> A message was posted to the Ba-Bay-Colony list and I questioned the marriage
> the originator of the first message said about a Rebecca Bangs, daughter of
> Edward Bangs. In that message, below, it was said that she married Thomas
> Custis in 1730, yet the Brewster MFIP says she died after the birth of her last
> child. Can someone help me with this discussion? You will have to read the
> original message with my reply and the follow up reply, which is listed first
> last. Am I right that she did not marry Thomas Custis?
> Christie Trapp
>
> In a message dated 1/31/2005 12:39:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
> Since my information came from the town vital records and archives by way of
> the archivist at the Sturgis Library guess you'd have to send her what you
> have and question their records.
>

> In a message dated 1/30/2005 5:41:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
> Yesturday when I was looking for information of family lines, I also
> received questions about these lines. Will share what I have for all who
> need it and asked for it. Part of the information comes from birth, death
> and marriage records I've acquired from towns, the rest came from the
> Sturgis Library Vital records and Archives of each town. Thank you KT!
> Captain John Custis Vergen VA son of Joseph married Hannah Hawes, their son
> Henry Custis married Sally Young b: 10/11/1791 daughter of Bangs Young b:
> 7/18/1765 Barnstable and Hannah Buck b:1/10/1755 Bridgewater they married
> 9/28/1777. Bangs was born to Thomas b: 4/24/1734 married 6/26/1755
> Barnstable to Mary Davis. Thomas born to Thomas b: 10/24/1705 married
> 2/11/1730 to Rebecca Bangs's daughter of Edward Bangs. Thomas was the son of
> Henry Young b: 3/17/1672 Eastham married Sarah? , his father John Young d:
> 1/29/1691 Eastham, who came to Plymouth as a very young man married
> 12/13/1648 to Abigail Howland d: 4/7/1692 Eastham. Abigail is the daughter
> of Mary (Newland?) and Henry Howland brother of John Howland. Hope I entered
> all the dates right my typing skill leave a lot to be desired.
>
>
> provided the above. I question the marriage at the
> bottom of Rebecca Bangs, daughter of Edward Bangs to Thomas Custis.
>
> You state that Thomas married Rebecca 1730. Unfortunately, I believe you are
> mistaken and have the wrong Rebecca Bangs.
>
> Rebecca Bangs, the daughter of Edward Bangs married 28 Oct 1654 Jonathan
> Sparrow and had 5 kids by 1665. According the the Mayflower In Progress
> William Brewster it says that Rebecca died about the time of her last child.
> So it
> would be impossible for her to be married again. Her husband, Jonathan did
> remarry after the death of Rebecca, but that is not the issue here.
>
> Christie


First, allow me to point out that Rebecca Bangs married Thomas YOUNG
(not Curtis), but the paragraph presented by the alligator was poorly
constructed, and easy to mis-interpret.

Secondly, Rebecca Bangs, the daughter of the immigrant Edward Bangs, was
born "say 1636" according to Robert Charles Anderson in The Great
Migration Begins (GMB), making it highly unlikely that she would marry
anyone in 1730 at the advanced age of 94 years.

Thirdly, Edward Bangs (the immigrant), in his will dated 19 Oct 1677
(GMB) and proved 6 Mar 1677/8 says the following, and I quote:

> and I give to my grandchildren, viz: the children of my daughter Rebecka
> deceased four pounds at my decease" [PCPR 3:2:106].

Fourthly, Jonathan Sparrow, the widower of Rebecca Bangs, did remarry to
Hannah Prence, the widow of Nathaniel Mayo, and this is an issue.

Now, fast forward to the early 1700's, and you will find another Rebecca
Bangs, born 9 Mar 1709, the daughter of Edward Bangs (the grandson of
Edward Bangs the immigrant) and his wife Ruth Allen. It was she who
married Thomas YOUNG 11 Feb 1730 in Harwich. This Thomas Young was born
24 Oct 1705 in Eastham [MD 9:9], the son of Henry Young and his wife
Sarah (likely, but not proved, Sarah Snow, d/o of Jabez Snow and
Elizabeth Smith).

It is most likely this Rebecca Bangs that the Archivist at the Sturgis
Library is discussing in reply to the alligator's query.

Please know that I am not a Bangs researcher, and have shared what
little information I have from GMB, the Hopkins Silver book, and the
Brewster MFIP. The important red flag, in my opinion, is Rebecca's
supposed birth date (1636) which precludes marriage to anyone in 1730.

> REBECCA BANGS, b. say 1636; m. Eastham 26 October 1654 Jonathan Sparrow [PCR 8:15].

Perhaps another Bangs researcher can shed more light on the subject.


Hoping to have been of some assistance,

Pam Sears

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