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Subject: [M'GREGOR] Re: MacGregor Glengarry Estate Part of Drumchastle, Loch Rannoch
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:44:14 EST
In a message dated 12/28/2000 10:21:14 PM Central Standard Time, Rjmsimon &
Richard Paul write:
<< Subj: MacGregor Glengarry Estate Part of Drumchastle, Loch Rannoch
Date: 12/28/2000 10:21:14 PM Central Standard Time
From: <A HREF="mailto:Rjmsimon">Rjmsimon</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:Rjmsimon">Rjmsimon</A>
"Subj: MacGregor: Are Drumchastle & Drumcastle, Estate of Glengarry One and
Date: 12/28/2000 12:43:00 AM Central Standard Time
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The following makes we wonder if Drumchastle by Loch Rannoch is the same
place they are talking about in the following copy and paste from a website.
Can anyone tell me if Glengarry and Drumchastle (or Drumcastle by the border
of Rannoch) are one and the same?
The reason is that I think my Red Rock MacGregor ancestors from Loch Rannoch
came from the Drumglas estate around Loch Rannoch, and that my Rob Roy
cousins who came from Loch Rannoch to Springfield, Antigonish County, Nova
Scotia, Canada, came from Drumchastle around Loch Rannoch. Therefore, it is
very important for me to know if Drumcastle mentioned in the copy and paste
below is different from Drumchastle around Loch Rannoch.
Please help me.
"The Prince Edward Island Connection
Early one morning in the Autumn of 1827 a man wearing a shabby Clan -
MacDonald - tartan cloak stood beside Malpeque Road, a few miles north of
Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island. Before him rose a thin column of smoke.
He is burning his old sermon notes. The man, known locally as "Black
MacDonald of Glengarry", is in actual fact the Rev. Donald MacDonald, a 44
year old Church of Scotland Minister. He is described at that time, by the
man who was later to write of MacDonald’s life and times as "low set, erect,
rugged, careworn but with a noble face, hazel eye, aquiline nose with a
determined, "I am the man" expression about him". MacDonald was subsequently
to influence the lives of thousands, many of them Skye settlers, who had
found their way to this island during the mid to late nineteenth century.
Donald Macdonald was born on 1st January 1783 on the estate of Glengarry at
Drumcastle on the border of Rannoch. His father "a stalwart Perthshire man"
had been in the ranks of the Rebel Army in 1745 when it had been defeated at
Culloden. Escaping the carnage of that historic day Donald MacKay ( who later
changed his name to MacDonald), eventually settled on the estate where this
son was born and christened "Donald".
When the young MacDonald was about 15 years of age, Perthshire was visited
by the famous Haldane Brothers. These men and their lay preachers (see Summer
1996 edition of "Skye Revival") were instrumental in "turning many to
Godliness". MacDonald’s father was greatly influenced by them and as a result
was baptised by total immersion, a fact which was to cause his son no small
trouble in later years.
Donald MacDonald is described as being a "gay and frolicsome" youth, who
"soon learned to enjoy a social glass". However by 1808 he had decided to
study for the ministry of the Church of Scotland. The reason for this
decision is not known. He subsequently entered St Andrews University from
where he graduated in 1816. On the 2nd August of that year, the 33 year old
student was ordained to the presbytery of Abertarff and for the following
eight years laboured as missionary in the braes of Glengarry. Of that period
it is recorded, "he was not distinguished from his brethren for extraordinary
qualities good or bad". However it was at this time he earned the name "Black
MacDonald of Glengarry"."
Jean MacGregor Simon
Huntsville, Alabama USA"
Now, here's the reply from Loch Rannoch:
"Subj: Re: MacGregor: Are Drumchastle & Drumcastle, Estate of Glengarry One
and The Same?
Date: 12/28/2000 5:08:00 AM Central Standard Time
Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:"></A>
I can't really tell you very much, but there is a Drumchastle farm just over
the glen from my house, which is at West Tempar on the south side of the
River Tummel. Also the house that the owner of the Dunalastair estate lives
in, which is built on a promentary projectuing into Dunalastair Water, is
called Glengarry House.
Captain Ian de Sales La Terriere and his wife Rose live in Glengarry House.
They use email and so you may be able to contact them directly. Email -
They may be able to tell you more than I can.
You might also try Mike Hutchins who is a local genealogist and runs a local
bed and breakfast with his American wife. Email -
Yours, Richard Paul
Rannoch School - www.rannoch.co.uk
Rannoch Net - www.rannoch.net
Rannoch Adventure - www.rannoch-adventure.co.uk
Rannoch Association - www.rannoch.org.uk
Friends of Rannoch School - www.rannoch.net/Friends"
Hello, Richard Paul of Rannoch School,
So nice to hear from you again. Greetings also to your wife, who, I have
said before, may be a Stewart cousin of mine, if she is related to the
Stewarts of East Tempar. I am thrilled to read that you live in West Tempar!
I wonder if those Tempar Stewarts were related to the Innerhadden Stewarts,
of whom your wife is a descendant. I suppose so, if we were able to trace
back enough generations.
Yes, I saw Drumchastle farm when I was in Kinloch Rannoch in November 1995,
with my son, Doug, and my husband, Jack Simon. Doug is up for selection to
the rank of Captain now, so he expects to make Captain in the U. S. Army next
Since I last was in Loch Rannoch in November 1995, I received some
correspondence from a Mr. La Terriere. I forget his first name. He was very
nice, and told me that I was welcome to take a look around at Drumglas or
Drumchastle, if I wanted to, the next time I was in Loch Rannoch. I don't
know if the correspondent was the elder Mr. La Terriere or a younger person.
However, I am interested to know if the above-mentioned Capt. Ian de Sales La
Terriere is a British Navy captain, or, like my 25-year-old youngest son,
Doug, an Army captain? If he is a Navy Captain, then Ian de Sales La
Terriere is a much older man, than he would be if he were an Army captain.
My husband is a retired naval officer, but he still works full time at his
job as a program manager here in Huntsville, Alabama, sometimes known as
Apparently, Mr. La Terriere owns Drumglas, and the Dunalastair estate, and
probably Drumchastle too. I wonder if they all were part of the Dunalastair
estate? I also wonder how many centuries it has been since there actually
was a castle at Drumchastle? !!!! How fascinating it would be if there was
a fort at Drumchastle at the time that the father of Pontius Pilate, as a
Roman soldier, may have been stationed at Fortingall! Such a fantasy!
I wonder what the MacDonalds of Glengarry were doing, owning land or living
in the Loch Rannoch area? As a little background, to explain my interest, my
great-grandmother Elizabeth Stewart (called Betsy) (Mrs. Donald MacGregor)
who died at age 69 in 1884 in South River Lake, Antigonish County, Nova
Scotia, Canada came to Red Point, Kings Co., Prince Edward Island, Canada
with her father, John Stewart Sr. from Loch Rannoch, apparently from East
Tempar, exact place according to some LDS or Mormon records found by my
MacGregor & Stewart cousin, Dr. Donald MacMillan of Los Alamos, New Mexico,
USA. Dr. MacMillan was in Loch Rannoch earlier in the 1990's, and also saw
Janet McGregor retired district nurse, sister of the late Calum & Morag
The above minister, Donald MacKay alias MacDonald, born 1 January 1783 on the
estate of Glengarry at Drumchastle, also emigrated to Prince Edward Island,
Canada. I would think that Donald MacKay alias MacDonald took the name
MacDonald, because of the MacDonalds of Glengarry owned Glengarry House where
he was born? Just as after the proscription of the name MacGregor, the
MacGregors had to take on other people's surnames, such as Campbell, when Rob
Roy's mother was a Campbell, or Drummond, etc., such as the owner of the land
they occupied. So, it looks like the Presbyterian minister, Rev. Donald
MacDonald's family "ditched" the name of MacKay and took on the name
MacDonald. I know my Clanranald of MacDonald ancestors fought in that 1745
war, but I don't know about the MacKays.
Where is the seat of the MacDonald of Glengarry branch of the MacDonalds, do
you know? Somehow, I didn't think it was around Loch Rannoch. Weird!
Apparently, if you earn the name "Black Macdonald of Glengarry", it doesn't
refer to the color of your hair, but is rather uncomplimentary. I am
interested in that subtle shade of meaning, because Janet McGregor, retired
district nurse in Kinloch Rannoch, and I share as a common ancestor, "Black
Duncan (MacGregor) of the Moon", who married a Miss Robertson from the now
abandoned village of Bohespic. I wonder if "black" has a rowdiness, or
possibly bad character meaning. If the Presbyterian minister known as Black
Donald MacDonald of Glengarry wasn't any better or worse than any of his peer
ministers, then perhaps the term "black" wasn't so bad!
I succeeded in getting a monument put up to my great-grandparents, Baptist
Deacon Donald MacGregor born 1806 in Loch Rannoch, died 1892 in So. River
Lake, Nova Scotia, and his wife, Elizabeth Stewart, died March 1884 aged 69,
this June in Cumming Cemetery, South River Lake, Antigonish County, Nova
Scotia, Canada, and that was of great satisfaction to me. The monument said
that it was erected by their great-grandchildren, as all of the grandchildren
are now dead. I didn't want my immigrant great-grandparents to spend
eternity without a tombstone marking their grave.
Thank you for the email addresses of the La Terrieres and of Mike Hutchens.
I'll have to write to them in the future.
Will be happy to hear from you, and Happy New Year!
Jean MacGregor Simon
Huntsville, Alabama, USA