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From: David Athey <>
Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Re:Welsh settlers in Pennsylvania--correction....
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:51:03 -0400
References: <20050729183049.40071.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com>
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I second Jim's comments about used book dealers. I purchase books for Gallaudet University Library, and we often have to go to used book dealers for out-of-print books. We have never yet had a negative experience with one of the dealers. As Jim says, it is best to go through the large vendors such as Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Alibris, ABE, etc., because they have large data bases and they screen the dealers to ensure the best service. David A. Jim Woods wrote: >Bette, > >A word about Amazon. My copy of 'Albion's seed...' is >paperback. For most books I buy from Amazon, I >always check the USED books sold by their 3rd Party >vendors. The prices represent very substantial >savings. Further, I have found that the 3rd party >folks are scupulously honest in their listing of the >condition of the books they sell. I hve always had >good service, pricing and been pleased with the book >value. > >Jim > >--- Bette Gracie <> wrote: > > > >>Thank you, Jim, for your reference to this volume. >>I checked and >>apparently, there is a paperback version of this >>book--which Amazon.com >>characterizes as "new"--available for about $17. I >>am most eager for the >>chance to read it. There have also been some 62 >>reviews of this book, most >>giving it high praise for a breakthrough in >>historiacal perspective on the >>subject. The reviews at Amazon.com are interesting, >>in themselves, because >>they offer discussions of related historical threads >>and some contradictions >>which readers feel were not addressed in this >>volume. >> >>Bette >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jim Woods" <> >>To: <> >>Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:48 PM >>Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Re:Welsh settlers in >>Pennsylvania--correction.... >> >> >> >> >>>David and list, >>> >>>I wish to correct the title of the book I >>> >>> >>referenced >> >> >>>earlier. It should be: Albion's Seed: Four >>> >>> >>British >> >> >>>FOLKWAYS in America by David Hackett Fisher. The >>>newer editions have traded folkways for >>> >>> >>subcultures in >> >> >>>the title...a review from Amazon below... >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>>Editorial Reviews >>>From Library Journal >>>This cultural history explains the European >>> >>> >>settlement >> >> >>>of the United States as voluntary migrations from >>> >>> >>four >> >> >>>English cultural centers. Families of zealous, >>>literate Puritan yeomen and artisans from >>> >>> >>urbanized >> >> >>>East Anglia established a religious community in >>>Massachusetts (1629-40); royalist cavaliers headed >>> >>> >>by >> >> >>>Sir William Berkeley and young, male indentured >>>servants from the south and west of England built >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>highly stratified agrarian way of life in Virginia >>>(1640-70); egalitarian Quakers of modest social >>>standing from the North Midlands resettled in the >>>Delaware Valley and promoted a social pluralism >>>(1675-1715); and, in by far the largest migration >>>(1717-75), poor borderland families of English, >>> >>> >>Scots, >> >> >>>and Irish fled a violent environment to seek a >>> >>> >>better >> >> >>>life in a similarly uncertain American >>> >>> >>backcountry. >> >> >>>These four cultures, reflected in regional >>> >>> >>patterns of >> >> >>>language, architecture, literacy, dress, sport, >>> >>> >>social >> >> >>>structure, religious beliefs, and familial ways, >>>persisted in the American settlements. The final >>>chapter shows the significance of these regional >>>cultures for American history up to the present. >>>Insightful, fresh, interesting, and well-written, >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>>synthesis of traditional and more current >>> >>> >>historical >> >> >>>scholarship provides a model for interpretations >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>the American character. Subsequent volumes of this >>>promised multivolume work will be eagerly awaited. >>>Highly recommended for the general reader and the >>>scholar. >>>- David Szatmary, Univ. of Washington, Seattle >>>Copyright 1989 Reed Business Information, >>> >>> >>Inc.--This >> >> >>>text refers to an out of print or unavailable >>> >>> >>edition >> >> >>>of this title. >>> >>>Book Description >>>This book is the first volume in a cultural >>> >>> >>history of >> >> >>>the United States, from the earliest English >>>settlements to our own time. It is a history of >>>American folkways as they have changed through >>> >>> >>time, >> >> >>>and it argues a thesis about the importance for >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>United States of having been British in its >>> >>> >>cultural >> >> >>>origins. >>> >>>From 1629 to 1775, North America was settled by >>> >>> >>four >> >> >>>great waves of English-speaking immigrants. The >>> >>> >>first >> >> >>>was an exodus of Puritans from the east of England >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>Massachusetts (1629-1640). The second was the >>> >>> >>movement >> >> >>>of a Royalist elite and indentured servants from >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>south of England to Virginia (ca. 1649-75). The >>> >>> >>third >> >> >>>was the "Friends' migration,"--the Quakers--from >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>North Midlands and Wales to the Delaware Valley >>> >>> >>(ca. >> >> >>>1675-1725). The fourth was a great flight from the >>>borderlands of North Britain and northern Ireland >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>the American backcountry (ca. 1717-75). >>> >>>These four groups differed in many ways--in >>> >>> >>religion, >> >> >>>rank, generation and place of origin. They brought >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>America different folkways which became the basis >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>regional cultures in the United States. They spoke >>>distinctive English dialects and built their >>> >>> >>houses in >> >> >>>diverse ways. They had different ideas of family, >>>marriage and gender; different practices of >>>child-naming and child-raising; different >>> >>> >>attitudes >> >> >>>toward sex, age and death; different rituals of >>>worship and magic; different forms of work and >>> >>> >>play; >> >> >>>different customs of food and dress; different >>>traditions of education and literacy; different >>> >>> >>modes >> >> >>>of settlement and association. They also had >>>profoundly different ideas of comity, order, power >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>freedom which derived from British >>> >>> >>folk-traditions. >> >> >>>Albion's Seed describes those differences in >>> >>> >>detail, >> >> >>>and discusses the continuing importance of their >>>transference to America. >>> >>>Today most people in the United States (more than >>> >>> >>80 >> >> >>>percent) have no British ancestors at all. These >>> >>> >>many >> >> >>>other groups, even while preserving their own >>> >>> >>ethnic >> >> >>>cultures, have also assimilated regional folkways >>>which were transplanted from Britain to America. >>> >>> >>In >> >> >>>that sense, nearly all Americans today are >>> >>> >>"Albion's >> >> >>>Seed," no matter what their ethnic origins may be; >>> >>> >>but >> >> >>>they are so in their different regional ways. The >>>concluding section of Albion's Seed explores the >>> >>> >>ways >> >> >>>that regional cultures have continued to dominate >>>national politics from 1789 to 1988, and still >>> >>> >>control >> >> >>>attitudes toward education, government, gender, >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>violence, on which differences between American >>>regions are greater than between European nations. >>> >>>Albion's Seed also argues that the four British >>>folkways created an expansive cultural pluralism >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>has proved to the more libertarian than any single >>>culture alone could be. Together they became the >>>determinants of a voluntary society in the United >>>States.--This text refers to an out of print or >>>unavailable edition of this title. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________ >> >> >>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home >>> >>> >>page >> >> >>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>> >>> >>>______________________________ >>> >>> >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > >==== MDALLEGA Mailing List ==== >USGENWEB page for Allegany County, MD >http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdallegh/ > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

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