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Subject: Magruder/Coombs/Beall -more
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:40:25 -0800


That's why I said "when available".
J.Broadbent

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:49:34 -0800 "SMoller" <> writes:
> Seems like an on going theme this week.
>
> J.Broadbent states:
> first I would like to say that It's better to use original records
> when available rather than rely on
> published genealogies.
>
> I think statements like this discourage others from sharing to the
> list.
> There are times when "published genealogies" are the only
> information
> available, so I wouldn't discourage others in sharing that.
>
> If everyone put their ideas and sources to the list, we might figure
> this family out. Those of us on the list would then know what
> information we are looking for, and what information we can
> discount.
>
> I know I had a piece of information on the Holland/Wyne/Hawkins
> family
> that was proof of Elizabeth Wyne Hawkins being a Holland. I thought
> everyone knew that, but they didn't, it was a great piece of
> information to share, it answered a lot of questions regarding
> Elizabeth Holland Wyne Hawkins.
>
> So I encourage us all to ask our questions and post our bits and
> pieces of information that may help us all.
> I know I'm here to do research, to learn and share. There are
> others
> on this list like, Norma and Sallie that seem to be willing to help
> also.
>
> Thanks,
> Shirley Middleton-Moller
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Date: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:21 AM
> Subject: Magruder/Coombs/Beall -more
>
>
> >Have been reading the previous e-mails regarding Beall immigrants
> and
> >would like to make a few comments, but first I would like to say
> that
> >It's better to use original records when available rather than rely
> on
> >published genealogies.
> >
> >1. Taken from St. Andrews Parish registers, Fife, [LDS film
> 1040171]
> >Alexander Bell and Margaret Ramsay's children were:
> > a. William christened 22 Aug 1647
> > b. Alexander chr. 11 Oct 1649
> > c. James William chr. 5 Feb 1652 [my ancestor]
> > d. Andrew chr. 28 Mar 1655
> >There is no Robert or Ninian.
> >Alex Sr. and Margaret were married 21 May 1646 and Alexander's
> father
> was
> >William Bell.
> >
> >2. Another immigrant to Maryland was Thomas Bell and there is a
> Thomas
> >Bell chr.[same film] 2 Jan 1631 in St. Andrews Parish which date
> fits
> >with his petition to the Court in 1732 stating he is over the age
> of
> 100
> >and asks to be freed from paying future levys. [PGCo. Court Record
> S,
> >p.165]. IF this is the correct Thomas Bell, it's possible he
> married
> >Jenat Leslie in 1652 and Jenat Oliphant abt 1668. With Jenat
> Oliphant
> he
> >had the following children:
> > a. Robert chr. 28 Apr 1670 [Is this the Robt who is termed
> foster
> >brother by Alexander. Unfortunately there are no depositions giving
> us a
> >clue as to Robt of MD's birth year]
> > b. Bessie chr. 16 Jun 1672
> > c. Jenat chr. 15 Mar 1674
> >
> >The unproven theory is that when wife Oliphant died, the children
> were
> >given to family members to raise while Thomas sailed off to
> Maryland
> >arriving abt 1679, alone, where he claimed 50 acres for
> transporting
> >himself into the province [Maryland Patent Record WC#2:16].
> >
> > Thomas married a 3rd(?) time to Elizabeth and they had 5
> children
> >including Ninian Jr/Sr b.1696 d.1680 whom many attach to Col.
> Ninian,
> but
> >he isn't Col. Ninian's son. He's also my ancestor.
> >
> > Thomas' parents were James Bell and Helen Pringle.
> >
> >Note the different parents between Alex and Thos. However the
> results of
> > a recent Bell/Beall DNA project indicate that Thomas and Alexander
> were
> >from the same ancestral line. We are currently searching for
> participants
> >descended from Col. Ninian and Robert for their DNA.
> >
> >3. That Alexander and Thomas were related to Col. Ninian is unknown
> since
> >Col. Ninian's birthplace has not be found, just conjecture that it
> was
> >Largo, Fife. One theory is that he took the name Bell (Beall) but
> it
> >wasn't his birth name. Another mystery that DNA may solve. All the
> >stories abt him being in the Battle of Dunbar, being in Cromwell's
> army,
> >being in Charles army, being transported as a prisoner to the West
> Indies
> >or Ireland, etc, etc are all unproven.
> >
> >4. That Sarah Beall who married Samuel Magruder was a daughter of
> Col.
> >Ninian is also unproven. Where she came from (with sister Mary) and
> their
> >parents is a mystery I'm anxious to see solved since she is also my
> >ancestor. She was a canny lass to be sure and one of only a very
> few
> >women who bought property as a sole femme. Plus she had 12 children
> all
> >of whom lived well into adulthood.
> >
> >Just my two cents worth,
> >J.Broadbent
> >
> >
> >
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