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From: "SMoller" <>
Subject: Re: Fw: Magruder/Coombs/Beall -more
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:21:21 -0800


Hi John,
I'm with you. Nothing is written in stone.
That is why I do my research. If I thought all the correct
information was already out there, I surely wouldn't spend so much
time doing my research. I could just pick up someone else's work and
use it for my family. For me there are just to many unanswered
questions.
There is much to still be discovered.
Thanks,
Shirley




-----Original Message-----
From: johndortco <>
To: <>
Date: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Magruder/Coombs/Beall -more


>Hi, Shirley and List,
>
>I agree with your comments wholeheartedly, Shirley. I live in
Northern Ohio
>and do my research in Maryland, which I can rarely get to more than
once a year.
>I've found published genealogies to be a great source of information.
>Throughout the year I scour the web and subscribe to numerous mail
lists, looking for
>any O'Neal family information that people are willing to place out on
the web and share.
>
>I can't say how valuable this information proves to be when I visit
Maryland with a
>handful of leads to check out, versus walking in empty-handed and
not having a clue
>where to start.
>
>Yes, I've found mistakes in published genealogies. I've also found
mistakes in libraries
>and courthouses. My Mother died in 1957 and a beautiful stone was
placed on her grave.
>I never realized until taking a picture of the stone a few years ago
that the stone cutter had
>carved 1975 on the stone. Some future genealogist may take a picture
of this stone and
>dispute my published genealogy because he has documented evidence
that she died in "1975."
>
>People sometimes lie on official documents to get a job, to get into
the army, or to avoid
>being drafted, or numerous other reasons. When my Father died, my
Mother was too
>distraught to answer the obituary questions. I did my best at
answering them, but had to guess on
>a couple of the questions. My Mother told me almost a year later that
I had made three mistakes.
>
>The point here is that every documented source can contain errors. If
we chastise people for these
>mistakes or dissuade them from coming forward with their information,
for fear of publishing
>a mistake, we do ourselves and the list a great disservice.
>
>We don't want to discourage the fellow out there who has a hunch that
his ggggGrandfather moved
>to Montana from getting on the list and saying so, because he has no
documentation.
>We want to encourage him to publish that tidbit of information. Then
it's up to each of us to decide if
>that hunch deserves further consideration. (How often has a hunch
paid off for you?)
>
>Like Shirley so aptly stated, "I'm here to do research, to learn and
share."
>Let's all continue in this vein.
>
>Regards,
>John W. O'Neal, II
>The O'Neal Web Site
><http://www.onealwebsite.com>;
>Home of The O'Neal Genealogy Association
>
>.
>
>SMoller wrote:
>
>> Seems like an on going theme this week.
>>
>> J.Broadbent states:
>> first I would like to say that It's better to use original records
>> when available rather than rely on
>> published genealogies.
>>
>> I think statements like this discourage others from sharing to the
>> list.
>> There are times when "published genealogies" are the only
information
>> available, so I wouldn't discourage others in sharing that.
>>
>> If everyone put their ideas and sources to the list, we might
figure
>> this family out. Those of us on the list would then know what
>> information we are looking for, and what information we can
discount.
>>
>> I know I had a piece of information on the Holland/Wyne/Hawkins
family
>> that was proof of Elizabeth Wyne Hawkins being a Holland. I
thought
>> everyone knew that, but they didn't, it was a great piece of
>> information to share, it answered a lot of questions regarding
>> Elizabeth Holland Wyne Hawkins.
>>
>> So I encourage us all to ask our questions and post our bits and
>> pieces of information that may help us all.
>> I know I'm here to do research, to learn and share. There are
others
>> on this list like, Norma and Sallie that seem to be willing to help
>> also.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shirley Middleton-Moller
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Date: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:21 AM
>> Subject: Magruder/Coombs/Beall -more
>>
>> >Have been reading the previous e-mails regarding Beall immigrants
and
>> >would like to make a few comments, but first I would like to say
that
>> >It's better to use original records when available rather than
rely
>> on
>> >published genealogies.
>> >
>> >1. Taken from St. Andrews Parish registers, Fife, [LDS film
1040171]
>> >Alexander Bell and Margaret Ramsay's children were:
>> > a. William christened 22 Aug 1647
>> > b. Alexander chr. 11 Oct 1649
>> > c. James William chr. 5 Feb 1652 [my ancestor]
>> > d. Andrew chr. 28 Mar 1655
>> >There is no Robert or Ninian.
>> >Alex Sr. and Margaret were married 21 May 1646 and Alexander's
father
>> was
>> >William Bell.
>> >
>> >2. Another immigrant to Maryland was Thomas Bell and there is a
>> Thomas
>> >Bell chr.[same film] 2 Jan 1631 in St. Andrews Parish which date
fits
>> >with his petition to the Court in 1732 stating he is over the age
of
>> 100
>> >and asks to be freed from paying future levys. [PGCo. Court Record
S,
>> >p.165]. IF this is the correct Thomas Bell, it's possible he
married
>> >Jenat Leslie in 1652 and Jenat Oliphant abt 1668. With Jenat
Oliphant
>> he
>> >had the following children:
>> > a. Robert chr. 28 Apr 1670 [Is this the Robt who is termed
>> foster
>> >brother by Alexander. Unfortunately there are no depositions
giving
>> us a
>> >clue as to Robt of MD's birth year]
>> > b. Bessie chr. 16 Jun 1672
>> > c. Jenat chr. 15 Mar 1674
>> >
>> >The unproven theory is that when wife Oliphant died, the children
>> were
>> >given to family members to raise while Thomas sailed off to
Maryland
>> >arriving abt 1679, alone, where he claimed 50 acres for
transporting
>> >himself into the province [Maryland Patent Record WC#2:16].
>> >
>> > Thomas married a 3rd(?) time to Elizabeth and they had 5
children
>> >including Ninian Jr/Sr b.1696 d.1680 whom many attach to Col.
Ninian,
>> but
>> >he isn't Col. Ninian's son. He's also my ancestor.
>> >
>> > Thomas' parents were James Bell and Helen Pringle.
>> >
>> >Note the different parents between Alex and Thos. However the
>> results of
>> > a recent Bell/Beall DNA project indicate that Thomas and
Alexander
>> were
>> >from the same ancestral line. We are currently searching for
>> participants
>> >descended from Col. Ninian and Robert for their DNA.
>> >
>> >3. That Alexander and Thomas were related to Col. Ninian is
unknown
>> since
>> >Col. Ninian's birthplace has not be found, just conjecture that it
>> was
>> >Largo, Fife. One theory is that he took the name Bell (Beall) but
it
>> >wasn't his birth name. Another mystery that DNA may solve. All the
>> >stories abt him being in the Battle of Dunbar, being in Cromwell's
>> army,
>> >being in Charles army, being transported as a prisoner to the West
>> Indies
>> >or Ireland, etc, etc are all unproven.
>> >
>> >4. That Sarah Beall who married Samuel Magruder was a daughter of
>> Col.
>> >Ninian is also unproven. Where she came from (with sister Mary)
and
>> their
>> >parents is a mystery I'm anxious to see solved since she is also
my
>> >ancestor. She was a canny lass to be sure and one of only a very
few
>> >women who bought property as a sole femme. Plus she had 12
children
>> all
>> >of whom lived well into adulthood.
>> >
>> >Just my two cents worth,
>> >J.Broadbent
>> >
>> >
>> >
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