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From: "Dobricky, John" <>
Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] RE:
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:02:15 -0500


Hi! I'm a psychologist--which should explain to you why I am weird enought to try to figure out the Thompsons.

I was able to put a few things together over the weekend to run by you:

I) Is it possible that the ANN THOMPSON who was a head of household in 1820 was ANN MUGG THOMPSON? This would seem to make sense and, if so, it means that her husband had died by 1820--which is helpful information.

II) My theory about there having been an earlier WALTER THOMPSON than the one who was the son of URIAH THOMPSON and CLARE THOMPSON THOMPSON is from the following baptismal entry: When little JANE ADALATE ("Adelaide"?) CHISELTINE (CHESELDINE) was baptised at St. FX RCC on 10/7/1821, the godparents were WALTER THOMPSON and CLARE THOMPSON (who, as we know, later married URIAH THOMPSON, circa 11/27/1827). My thought is that this older WALTER THOMPSON was brother to CLARE THOMPSON. I also think there was another sister, ANN THOMPSON, who may have married CHARLES CHESELDINE.

By the way, CHARLES CHESELDINE and ANN (THOMPSON?)had, at least, the following additional children:
1) WILLIAM CHARLES CHESELDINE (b. circa August, 1819 and baptised at St. FX RCC by Fr. Leonard Edelen, SJ, and who godparents were HUGH THOMPSON and MARY THOMPSON (who was, I believe, the one who grew up to marry both IGNATIUS BOOTH and LEWIS BOOTH). By the way, little WILLIAM CHARLES CHESELDINE grew up to marry (ML 7/12/1842) ELEANOR THOMPSON.

Who was HUGH THOMPSON, by the way? Was he another son of ____ THOMPSON and ANN MUGG who died young and without kids? I can't find another record of him anywhere.

For that matter, who was ELEANOR THOMPSON who married CHARLES WILLIAM CHESELDINE in 1842?

By the way, even though you know a lot more than I do about the CHESELDINE family, I am assuming that the above CHARLES CHESELDINE was the son of either CYRENIUS CHESELDINE and FANNY TARLTON or SENECA CHESELDINE (d. bet. 3/24/1815 and 12/10/1816) and either ELIZABETH BISCOE (m. 11/4/1779) or ELIZABETH TURNER (ML 9/2/1798).

Anyway, after the death of ANN (THOMPSON?) CHESELDINE, CHARLES CHESELDINE married (2--ML 4/13/1830) ANN GIBSON. They had, at least, the following children:
1) MARY MARCELLINA CHESELDINE (b. circa 2/1/1831 and baptised at St. FX RCC on 3/27/1831 (her godmother was SUSANNA GIBSON)--and who, I believe, grew up to marry JOHN N. ELLIS in 1852)

III) Here are some other related THOMPSON baptisms in the first half of the 19th century:

A) When SARAH ANN THOMPSON (b. 10/21/1820 and who grew up, I believe, to marry JAMES GODDARD in 1841--daughter of IGNATIUS (DONATUS) THOMPSON and CATHERINE (THOMPSON) THOMPSON) was baptised at ST. FX RCC on 11/21/1820, the godparents were CHARLES THOMPSON and MARY THOMPSON.

Do we have any idea who this CHARLES THOMPSON and this MARY THOMPSON were?

B) When ELIZABETH THOMPSON (approximately 6 weeks old and who may have grown up to marry CHARLES MARTIN in 1852--daughter of URIAH THOMPSON and CLARE (THOMPSON) THOMPSON)was baptised on 1/1/1831 at ST. FX RCC, her godparents were MARY (THOMPSON) BLAIR and IGNATIUS THOMPSON (probably her uncle--the husband of CATHERINE THOMPSON).

By the way, according to other researchers, CATHERINE THOMPSON married IGNATIUS DONATUS THOMPSON (son of BENNETT THOMPSON (himself the son of ROBERT THOMPSON (d. bet. 1804 and 1807)and SARAH KNOTT).

C) When CHARLES NAPOLEON THOMPSON (son of IGNATIUS (DONATUS) THOMPSON and CATHERINE (THOMPSON) THOMPSON was baptised at St. FX RCC on 8/7/1831, his godparents were MARY (THOMPSON) BLAIR and LEWIS BOOTH (second husband of SUSANNA (THOMPSON) BOOTH BOOTH).

D) When twins ROBERT and WALTER THOMPSON (b. 3/21/1835--sons of URIAH THOMPSON and CLARE THOMPSON THOMPSON) were baptised on 3/22/1835 at St. FX RCC, the godparents were IGNATIUS THOMPSON and CATHERINE THOMPSON THOMPSON.

E) When ANN OLIVIA BLAIR (b. circa 1/1/1831--daughter of SAMUEL ("SAM") BLAIR and MARY (THOMPSON) BLAIR was baptised on 4/4/1831, the godmother was SUSANNA NEALE (now, where in the heck did SHE come from?).

As we know, SAMUEL BLAIR (b. 1809) married (ML 2/16/1930) MARY THOMPSON (b. 1808).

IV) I have tried to do a little research about the connections between the THOMPSON and BLAIR families:

A) Apparently, THOMAS THOMPSON (d. 1792--apparently, the son of THOMAS THOMPSON (d. 1779)and MARY COLE)married ELIZABETH LEE (daughter of SAMUEL LEE and sister of PHILIP LEE) had a daughter (probably ELIZABETH THOMPSON (who is mentioned in the estate distribution of her mother but not of her mother)who married (I assume, from the above records, JOHN)_____ BLAIR and had, at least a daughter, ELIZABETH BLAIR (b. bef. 1792 and mentioned in the will of her grandfather, THOMAS THOMPSON).

Note that, in February of 1797, the Orphan's Court (O.C.) appointed ROSWELL GIBSON Guardian to ELIZABETH BLAIR, orphan of JOHN BLAIR, deceased. WILLIAM GIBSON and CHARLES NEALE (another ancestor of mine, interestingly enough--at least I think this was THAT Charles Neale ("of James") were Securities.

In October of 1803, ELIZABETH GUYBERT, Executor of the estate of THOMAS GUYBERT, deceased, and WILFRED GOODRUM, Attorney In Fact for ELIZABETH BLAIR, orphan of JOHN BLAIR, deceased, petitioned the O.C. to settle a claim that ELIZABETH GUYBERT had against the estate of JOHN BLAIR, deceased.

B) RAPHAEL F. THOMPSON married ANN BLAIR in 1823. Could RAPHAEL F. THOMPSON have been another brother of MARY (THOMPSON) BLAIR, SUSANNA (THOMPSON) BOOTH BOOTH, etc.?

C) I assume that another child of SAM BLAIR and MARY THOMPSON was SAMUEL BLAIR (b. 1840) who married MARY C. MARYMAN (b. 1844) on 11/18/1862 (they were married by Father Joseph Enders, SJ, with JOHN SPALDING and ADRIANA MARYMAN as witnesses).

Note also that JANE A. BLAIR--another possible daughter of SAM BLAIR and MARY THOMPSON--married THOMAS E. SHOEMAKER in 1869. However, there were a lot of other BLAIRS that she could have been the daughter of.

D) When LUCRETIA BLAIR (d. bet. 11/13/1797 and 11/9/1801) wrote her will, the witnesses were ROSWELL GIBSON, WILLIAM GIBSON, and ELIZABETH FARRELL. Lucretia Blair left legacies to (her son) JOSEPH BLAIR and (her grand-daughter--under the age of 16 in 1797) MARY ANDERSON.

E) In 1794, the following men were part of the SMC militia:
JAMES BLAIR
JOSEPH BLAIR
PETER BLAIR
WILLIAM BLAIR.

F) On 6/16/1796, SAMUEL ABELL, (Sherriff of SMC) sold MATTHEW BLAIR a 60-acres portion of the farm "SCOTLAND" which had to have been near the property of the "Rocky Point" THOMPSON family.

G) JEREMIAH BLAIR (son of JEREMIAH BLAIR) married MARY MATTINGLY att All Saints Episcopal Church on 2/10/1850. Interestingly (given the marriage date), JEREMIAH BLAIR and MARY MATTINGLY seem to have had the following children:
1) JEREMIAH BLAIR baptised at All Saints on 4/27/1845.
2) GEORGE WASHINGON BLAIR baptised at All Saints on 9/15/1846.
3) LAURA BLAIR (who grew up to marry FRANCIS MATTINGLY in 1872).
4) SUSAN BLAIR (who grew up to marry IGNATIUS E. MATTINGLY in 1882.
5) THOMAS PAINE BLAIR baptised at All Saints on 3/10/1848.
6) ELIZA BLAIR baptised at All Saints on 4/21/1856.

Apparently, JEREMIAH BLAIR married (2) JULIA F. MATTINGLY (Probably a widow) on 11/6/1869 (they were married in the Catholic faith by Fr. De Wolfe, SJ, with SUSAN BLAIR and IGNATIUS E. MATTINGLY as witnesses (probably their respective children)).

H) On 5/1/1847, WILLIAM BLAIR bought pew #17 at All Saints Episcopal Church for $40.00. Apparently, this same WILLIAM BLAIR had been married (1) to a Catholic (which was noted when he married (2)MRS. SUSAN GIBSON on 11/4/1853 at Sacred Heart RCC--with JAMES NORRIS (of THOMAS) and EILZABETH NORRISS as witnesses).

Interestingly, (some) CHARLES CHESELDINE (see above notes about the baptism, etc., of the children of (some) Charles Cheseldine) bought pew #21 for $16.00 (what can you say, I guess it didn't have a view) at All Saints in 1847.

I am going to put my THOMPSON stuff in several different e-mails today because (a) it is lengthy) and (b) it involves slightly different branches of the Thompson faqmily (even though, they all intermarried so much that they did become "one big happy family" anyway). See ya' John Dobricky
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From: Linda Reno [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:56 PM
To: Dobricky, John
Subject: RE:


Are you saying "what IF Charles Thompson is, in fact a red herring?" It's
not a red herring--he identified himself in the census record as Charles
Thompson of William. Now whether we have the right Charles Thompson of
William is another story!

Ann Mugg was born in 1766. She was baptized at St. Andrew's Episcopal on
12/12/1766.

In your potential list of children for Ann (Mugg) Thompson, you have Walter
Thompson. Who is he? I have no men named Walter Thompson living at the
same time Ann was. Uriah had a son named Walter--is that what you mean?

I think that the James Thompson who m. Eleanor Joy is the same one who
identified himself in the 1820 census as James Thompson of John B. Not
sure, of course.

1820, 3rd Dist.: 2M -10; 1M 26-44 (James of John B.); 1F -10; 1F 10-16; 1F
over 45 (Eleanor Joy Thompson); 3 slaves.

Leonard Howard m. Ann Steel, dau. of John Steel and Ann Van Reswick. You're
right, her sister was Mary Steel who m. Ignatius Thompson. BUT, you're
wrong in that Leonard Howard was guardian to the children of Raphael
Thompson--not Ignatius. He was their guardian because he'd married their
mother. The first wife of Leonard Howard was Appalonia Brown who m. first,
Raphael Thompson.

4/1783: The court appointed Leonard Howard guardian to John Barton
Thompson, Charles Thompson, and Ann Thompson, orphans of Raphael Thompson
(of Mark). Securities: John Baptist Thompson and George Howard.

Ann (Steel) Howard m. second, Lewis Booth, 1/26/1818. Lewis Booth then m.
second, Susanna Thompson, who we believe to be the daughter of Ann (Mugg)
Thompson.

The Steel family was not from St. Mary's County as far as I can tell.
There's just the one family. John Steel m. Ann Van Reswick (she was a
County girl).

It was Leonard Howard's son, Leonard who m. Eleanor Carberry. I'd had that
confused myself and recently got it straightened out. After the death of
Leonard, Jr., Eleanor Carberry then married Lewis Wimsatt, in D.C.

Still haven't figured out the Hamiltons. I think I'd sent you this note
before--nothing's changed since then:

I had thought she (Teresa Hamilton) might be the daughter of James Hamilton,
but she was not listed with this family in 1790 and she was not named in the
will of James Hamilton in 1791. My guess, at this point, is that she was
from Charles County. In searching the 1790 census of CC, the likeliest
candidates are: Ignatius, Duke, or Eleanor Ann Hamilton (widow of Burditt
Hamilton).

Don't need to address the Steel issue--I've already answered it above. The
mother of Mary and Ann Steel was Ann Van Reswick (or I feel reasonably
comfortable that she was Ann Van Reswick, dau. of Thomas Van Reswick and Ann
Carberry). My note:

I am assuming she was Ann Van Reswick because Wilfred Van Reswick was one of
the securities for the estate of John Steel. Also, John Steel was one of
the appraisers of the estate of Henry Shercliffe in 1767 (her
brother-in-law).

What's your specialty, doc?

Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: Dobricky, John [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:37 PM
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Hi, this is your crank e-mailer again. This has been an exciting day. I
think we're getting much closer to finding my forgotten Ann Thompson (of
whom I've become quite fond). Also, I met a new second-cousin on the St.
Mary's website today--Don Hurry!

Anyway, I had a few minutes in between patients and wanted to run a theory
by you.

(Please refer to my earlier e-mails of today)...Is it possible that I have
skipped a generation in this branch of the Thompsons?

What is, "Charles Thompson of William" is, in fact a red herring?

What if the JAMES THOMPSON that you found in the 1820 census when you did
the research for me was, indeed, the father of Ann Thompson Raley but not
the son of John Basil Thompson (d. circa 1819)?

Of course, we know that James Thompson of John Basil was alive and well in
St. Mary's in 1827 when it sounds like he sold everything he owned to his
sisters. However, what if the James Thompson you referenced in the 1820
census was, indeed, the SON of Charles Thompson and Ann Mugg.

First, given the fact that Peter Mugg was born in 1773, Ann Mugg was
probably born around that time--this would have meant that she would have
married ______ Thompson circa 1793 or thereabouts.

If Ann Mugg Thompson had a son, James Thompson, circa 1795, he would have
been old enough to have had a daughter (that is, Ann Thompson Raley) born
circa 1815--giving her (Ann Thompson Raley, that is) just about the minimal
amount of time (age 15-18) to marry John B. Raley as his second wife.

I think the Ann Thompson mentioned in the 1825 deed was probably Ann Mugg
Thompson, by the way. We know already that she was alive until 1818,
anyway. My theory would be, at this point, that the people who sold the
land to Ignatius Thompson in 1825 were Ann Mugg Thompson and her son, James
Thompson (possible father of Ann Thompson Raley) and HIS (possibly second)
wife, Eliza Long Thompson (married in 1824).

Obviously, it this theory holds any water at all, Ann Thompson Raley would
have had to have been the daughter of James Thompson and a first wife.
Since we know that Winifred Drury Thompson (also the wife of some James
Thompson--perhaps James Thompson of Basil) was alive after her husband died,
the field is pretty effectively narrowed to Eleanor Joy (who also married a
James Thompson--in either 1808 or 1810, as I recall).

That would make, I think, the following children of ______ (possibly
Charles--son of Raphael "of Mark" and Appalonia Brown) and Ann Mugg as (at
least):
1) Uriah Thompson (who married Clare Thompson)
2) Walter Thompson
3) James Thompson (who married, perhaps (1) Eleanor Joy and (2) Eliza Long)
4) Susanna Thompson (who married Ignatius Booth)
5) Ignatius Thompson (who bought the land in 1825).

I know this is all guesswork. Let me know if you have any evidence to
either prove or disprove this theory.

Also, if it is of any help, Leonard Howard was also the Guardian to the
orphaned children of Ignatius Thompson (who married Mary Steele) in 1806, I
believe. He must have been a very compassionate guy! As I recall, Leonard
Howard married (1) Ann Steele (sister of Mary Steele Thompson) and (2--in
1815) a Carberry.

Who were these Steeles anyway? On another branch of my family (you remember
the elusive Teresa Hamilton who married William Wheeler in 1800?), I have
come to believe that the answer to THAT question involves Mary _____
Hamilton Scott Yates (when she died the widow of James Yates). Mary
mentions in her will that Mary Steele Thompson was her "cousin." Mary _____
Hamilton Scott Yates also apprenticed her son Henry Hamilton to someone
(whose name I can't remember).

I haven't looked at the Hamiltons for a while but, I bet, Mary _____
Hamilton Scott Yates was, somehow, related to Teresa Hamilton Wheeler.

So.......could Ann Thompson Raley have been a grand-daughter of Ann Mugg
Thompson. And......who was Mary Steele (mother of Mary Steele Thompson and
Ann Steele Howard), anyway???

As usual, you're a gentleman and a scholar. John D.

of course, this is all guess



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