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From: "Linda Reno" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Howard Family (Charles and John Baptist)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:28:10 -0400
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Do you have more information on the Clement Johnson who died in 1821?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry L. Clark" <>
To: "Linda Reno" <>; <>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Howard Family (Charles and John Baptist)


> http://home.comcast.net/~jerry876/clementjohnson.htm
>
> Linda,
>
> the above link has information about the Clement Johnson whose parents I'm
> trying to place. if this Clement Johnson was a son of one of the children
of
> David and Belinda ? then it would open major doors not yet opened. I know
> that the Clement Johnson who died about 1821 was supposed to be the son of
> David and Belinda Johnson, so my Clement Johnson is is not the same one,
but
> maybe coming from a child of David and Belinda Johnson.
>
> but notice also how the Howard/Johnson/Clarke who has close ties to
Abraham
> Bray's family is intermarrying. this was very common. I think your on to
> something here.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Reno" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Howard Family (Charles and John Baptist)
>
>
> > I wonder if Elizabeth, wife of John Baptist Howard, wasn't Elizabeth
> > Johnson, daughter of David Johnson and wife, Belinda.
> >
> > Will of David Johnson, SMC, 2/6/1795-4/28/1795. Wife: (unnamed), all
of
> my
> > estate during her life. Children: Ann Johnson, Susanna Johnson,
> Dorothy
> > Johnson, Henry Johnson, William Johnson, Thomas Johnson and Clement
> > Johnson, my estate after the death of my wife. Children: Leonard
> Johnson,
> > Charles Johnson, John Johnson, James Johnson, Mary Brown and
Elizabeth
> > Howard, are never to possess any part of my estate. Exec: Wife
(unnamed).
> > Wit: Joseph and John Parsons, Stephen Jones.
> >
> > Son, Leonard Johnson, moved to Nelson Co., KY and many of the others may
> > have as well. I have no records for most of these children after 1795.
> >
> > Linda Reno
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry L. Clark" <>
> > To: "Linda Reno" <>; <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Howard Family (Charles and John Baptist)
> >
> >
> > > Will Abstracts 1785-1820; Nelson County Historical Society, p 26:
> > >
> > >
> > > will book page 707:
> > > Will of John Baptist Howard, mentions wife Elizabeth
> > > sons: Henry, George, Charles, William, Joseph
> > > daus: Mary Corby, Sarah Sissel, Eleanor Bray
> > > granddau: Elizabeth Howard
> > > Exec; son-in-law Matthew Sissel
> > > Wit: Walter Burch, John B. Hill & Thomas Hill
> > > written 9 Dec 1802; probated 12 Sep 1803
> > >
> > >
> > > Walter Burch b. 1754 is the son of Oliver Burch b 1713 and Mary Ann
> > Nevitt.
> > >
> > > Walter Burch b 1754 MD d 10-21-1822 Nelson Ky, Pottingers Creek
> > > he married Theresa Hagan 1759-MD d 1832 Nelson Co, KY
> > >
> > >
> > > Washington County, Kentucky marriages.
> > >
> > > John Baptist Hill married Mary Jarboe
> > > Thomas Hill married Theresa ? (Brown )[widow of Charles W. Brown]
1816.
> > >
> > > These were brothers and sons of Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles.
> > >
> > > same source: p 27:
> > > p 725: Inventory of the personal property of John B.
> > > Howard by Joseph Nevit, Richard Nevit & John B. Hill.
> > > 19 Oct 1803, total 931 pounds, 18 pence.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Children of John Baptist Howard were:
> > >
> > > Charles Howard who married Mary Cissell 22 Dec 1796, Nelson County,
> > > KY daughter of John Baptist Cissell
> > >
> > > John William Howard who married Bridget Greer 18 Feb 1800 Nelson
> > > County, Kentucky daughter of Lawrence Greer. When John William Howard
> > > married he was married under name of William Howard.
> > >
> > > Sarah Howard who married Mathew Cissell son of John Baptist Cissell
> > >
> > > Mary Howard who married ? Corby/ Carby/ or Kirby- (Can't find her)
> > >
> > > Eleanor "Nelly " Baptist Howard married Abraham Bray 31 Jan 1797
> > > Nelson County, KY (My ancestor)
> > >
> > > Henry Howard married Nancy Spalding 22 Apr 1816
> > > Washington County, KY
> > >
> > > George Howard married Polly Merryfield 15 Nov 1798 Nelson County, KY
> > >
> > > Joseph Howard(can't find many records about him, so I don't know if he
> > > married.
> > >
> > >
> > > as you can see Charles Howard who married Mary Cissell were not the
> > parents
> > > of John Baptist Howard it just would not work because Charles Howard
> > married
> > > Mary Cissell
> > >
> > > 22 Dec 1796, Nelson County,
> > > KY daughter of John Baptist Cissell
> > >
> > > Charles Howard had a sister Sarah Howard who married Mathew Cissell
> > >
> > > 11 Mar 1795, , Washington, Kentucky, both Mathew Cissell and Mary
> Cissell
> > > were children of John Baptist Cissell- who as I recall was married
twice
> > and
> > > had several children from each wife.
> > >
> > > John Baptist Howard died with 5 children by 1802??
> > >
> > > actually John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth ? were the parents of the
> > Charles
> > > Howard who married Mary Cissell.
> > >
> > > Now Anna Howard Hamilton Claimed John Baptist Howard was somehow
related
> > to
> > > the Howard's of Ann Arundel County, Maryland which I studied very
> > carefully
> > > and found no such connection.
> > >
> > > Therefore the parents of John Baptist Howard are unknown at this time,
> and
> > > who knows if his father was even a Charles Howard at all. I certainly
> > could
> > > find anything to prove who his parents were.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Linda Reno" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:10 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Howard Family (Charles and John Baptist)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I know that Ms. Donnelly named the parents of John Baptist Howard
and
> > > > several others as the children of Charles Howard and Mary Cissell,
but
> I
> > > > have never been able to find a record on Charles Howard!
> > > >
> > > > William Howard is the one who married Mary Melton, daughter of
Thomas
> > > Melton
> > > > (d. 1706). She and her husband, William Howard are named as NOK in
> the
> > > > administration accounts of her brother, Thomas Melton, Jr. (d.
1724).
> > > >
> > > > 9/21/1724-11/3/1724: Admin. accts. of Thomas Melton, SMC.
> Appraisers:
> > > > Clement Gardiner and Thomas Mattingly. NOK: Mary Howard and William
> > > Howard.
> > > > Execs., Mary Melton and Richard Miller--should be Millard.
(Skinner).
> > > >
> > > > I don't know for sure if the following records pertain to John
Baptist
> > > > Howard who d. in KY, but am sending them just in case.
> > > >
> > > > 4/19/1789: Bapt., at St. Ign., Eliz., dau. of Henry (non Catholic)
> and
> > > > Elizabeth Carter (Catholic). GP: Bapt. Howard and "nescio".
(Jesuit
> > > > Missions).
> > > >
> > > > 6/1782: Susanna Roberts vs. Anthony Roberts. Libel respondents
> > > witnesses:
> > > > Raphael Ford, Cornelius Brothers, Mary M. Goldsmith, Joseph Walker,
> > James
> > > > Mills, John Riney, Mary Roberts, Edward Campbell, Peter Howard,
> > Henrietta
> > > > Hoult, John Botlick, John Baptist HOWARD, Walter Davis, Sarah Davis,
> > > > Elizabeth Hoult, John Carpenter, Elizabeth Nivison. Libellants
> > witnesses:
> > > > John B. Graves, John Hazle, John A. Thomas, John Lucas, John
Ireland,
> > > Edmund
> > > > Campbell, Joseph Hargus, Raphael Thompson, Ann Manger, Jeremiah
> Edwards,
> > > > Susanna Mason, Robert Thompson, Philip Ford, Jesse Barron, Joseph
> > Walker.
> > > > The court adjudges that the paper produced by the respondent is not
to
> > be
> > > > received as the last will and testament of John Roberts and ordered
> > > letters
> > > > of administration be granted to the libellant. The respondent
appeals
> > to
> > > > the General Court of the western shore. (Orphan Ct. Rec., Fenwick).
> > > >
> > > > Linda Reno
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mary D. Kraeszig, DVM" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:25 AM
> > > > Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Howard Family (Charles and John Baptist)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just when I think I'm mostly virtually finished with my St. Mary's
> > > County
> > > > > ancestors (on my father's side), I find some Howards on my
mother's
> > side
> > > > > who may be from the St. Mary's Co. family.
> > > > >
> > > > > My Howards begin with Elizabeth Howard who m. James Chism in
> > > > > Kentucky. Elizabeth's purported parents are William Howard and
> > Bridget
> > > > > Greer, who m. in 1800 in Nelson Co., KY. William's father is may
be
> > > John
> > > > > Baptist Howard (of SMC??) who d. before 1803 in Nelson Co., KY;
his
> > wife
> > > > > was Elizabeth Unknown. I found a listing for John Baptist's
father
> as
> > > > > Charles Howard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't find any of these Howards in "Beaverdam Manor," so I'm
> > > temporarily
> > > > > stuck. While I'm asking about Howards, though, does anyone know
> > whether
> > > > > Peter Howard or William Howard (sons of the immigrant Thomas
Howard
> > who
> > > m.
> > > > > Alice Unknown) married Mary Melton? I've seen conflicting
> > information.
> > > > ML
> > > > > Donnelly does not provide enough information to determine with
> surety
> > > > which
> > > > > of these brothers married Mary Melton (though one definitely did).
> > > > >
> > > > > Many, many thanks,
> > > > > Mary McCauley Kraeszig
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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