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From: "Mary A. Shoemaker" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Clement Johnson
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:57:02 -0400
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Jerry L. Clark wrote:

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>Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Clement Johnson's Guardian.
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>>Mary Ann --
>>You are cited as the reference for the marriage of Clement Johnson and
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>Sarah
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>>Nolin in Washington Co., KY [see below]. Can you explain your remarks a
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>bit
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>>further, please? Are you saying that you have not seen this marriage
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>record? or
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>>that you have not seen it in a credible source? Please help us a bit here.
>>Thanks,
>>Ernie
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>>>Name: Clement JOHNSON
>>>Sex: M
>>>Birth: 1776
>>>Death: 28 APR 1821 in Kentucky
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>>>Father: David JOHNSON b: ABT 1735
>>>Mother: Berlinder UNKNOWN b: ABT 1739
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>>>Marriage 1 Sally NOLIN
>>>Married: 9 MAY 1815 in Nelson County, Kentucky 1
>>>Sources:
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>>Title: Shoemaker, Mary
>>Text: There was a marriage in Nelson Co. in 1815, Clement Johnson to Sally
>>Nolin, 9 May 1815, minister ST Badin, Signed bond: Joseph Nolin
>>Consent filed with Bond: Elizabeth Nolin, Mother of Sally.
>>Wittiness to Consent: Joseph Nolin, John J. Nolin. If this was the
>>Clement of Nelson Co. would think his wife would have been the
>>administrator and some of the Leonard Johnson family listed in the
>>marriage record. This I am GUESSING was a marriage for the Clement
>>Johnson found in Washington Co. KY.
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>One thing for sure the Clement Johnson who married Elizabeth Langley was
>married to her 8 Nov 1808, and was still married to her in 1850, so he is
>not the same Clement Johnson who married Sarah Nolin.
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>Washington County, KY
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>11/8/1808
>Clement Johnston to Betsey Langley;
>Minister Stephen Theo Badin;
>Book 1 page 85
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>since the Clement Johnson who married Sarah Nolin did so in 1815 in order
>for them to have been the same guy he would have had to be a polygamist.
>Which I don't think Catholics practiced polygamy.
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>Nelson Co. in 1815, Clement Johnson to Sally
> Nolin, 9 May 1815
>, minister ST Badin, Signed bond: Joseph Nolin
> Consent filed with Bond: Elizabeth Nolin, Mother of Sally.
> Wittiness to Consent: Joseph Nolin, John J. Nolin.
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>and I might add, I don't believe this Clement Johnson who married Sarah
>Nolin will turn out to be the same Clement Johnson who died in 1821, unless
>this was perhaps a 2nd marriage.
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>The Clement Johnson who died 1821 did leave a will, although I don't have
>it, I know of someone who did find it, and the Clement Johnson who died
>1821 has several children.
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>If The Clement Johnson who married Sarah Nolin, did not marry previously
>then he also would not be the same Clement Johnson who died in 1821.
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>there was not enough time between a marriage date of 9 May 1815 and 1821 to
>have several kids, not by this wife.
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>but I do want to learn all we can about this Clement Johnson who married
>Sarah Nolin, because I believe he fits in someplace simply because he's
>catholic.
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>We need to update the Paragraph above so we don't lead people to even think
>that the Clement Johnson who married Elizabeth Langley was the same one who
>married Sarah Nolin, because they are definitely not the same man.
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>also where does this date come from? are we approximating what we think or
>do we have something to prove that the Clement Johnson who died 1821 was
>born 1776? or is this date in reference to the Clement Johnson who was found
>in Carroll County, Ky.
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> Name: Clement JOHNSON
> Sex: M
> Birth: 1776
> Death: 28 APR 1821 in Kentucky
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>Personnally there is alot of errors floating around that prevent us from
>placing the correct people in the correct place. I wish someone had more
>data on this Clement Johnson who married Sarah Nolin because I need to know
>where he really belongs so that I can place the Clement Johnson who married
>Elizabeth Langley in his correct place, and right now the Clement Johnson
>who married Elizabeth Langley only has two possible options.
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>Either he was a son of one of David Johnsons son's or he is David Johnson's
>son. We have far more evidence to support the Clement Johnson who married
>Elizabeth Langley as being closely related to family of David Johnson.
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>We know nothing about the Clement Johnson who married Sarah Nolin, but we do
>need to know something about him.
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Ernie,

Unfortunatly I realize too late I should never make a comment even with
saying guessing ...Due to my thoughts that the Clement Johnson d 1821
was the son of Leonard Johnson not his brother, that was my reason for
saying that possibley the m to Sally Nolin belonged to...the Clement
Johnson found in Washington Co. I have no proof any more then the
rest of the researchers. the following will give you my reasons for
thinking the Clement Johnson who d 1821 was the son of Leonard rather
then his brother.

As to the marriage of Clement Johnson and Sarah Nolin The following is
where I found the listing: (Own the book)

Nelson Co. Genealogistts, MARRIAGE, BOND & CONSENT' BOOK OF NELSON COL
1801-1816 p 77

"Johnson, Clement & Nolin, Sally, Bond: 5 May 1815, married: 8 May 1815

Signed bond: Joseph Nolin

Consent filed with Bond: Elizabeth Nolin, MOther of Sally

Wittness to consent: Joseph Nolin, John J. Nolin

Married by S. T. Badin, from marriage Register"

(Badin was a Caholic Priest, My comment)

THIS IS A NELSON CO MARRIAGE !!



As I have to go into DAR Hdqts (& genealogical Lib) all this week due
to the National Convention etc.. I intend tomorrow to look up the 1820
KY census and find the Clement Johnson listed in Nelson Co. The copy of
the Nelson Co. Ky 1820 census I have is by Rowene Lawson.

p 20 of her book NELSON CO, KY 1810-1840 CENSUSES, p 20 is the following:

Johnson, Clement 1---?? //--1- - -

I want to see if I can figure out what those ?? might be. Probably not
but sure will look.

My thinking and stewing .. is the inventory 1821 of Clement Johnson
Nelson Co. KY that has Leonard Johnson as the administrator. Estate of
$100. Wondering if Clement was married why Leonard would be the
administrator of the inventory rather then the wife. However if you
believe the 1820 census read out. then the wife was in the age group of
16-26. Maybe too young to be an administrator . but being married would
have made her " of age" so to speak.

I do not know who the Clement Johnson who married Sally Nollin was. I
have no proof of any kind. Maybe that 1820 census for Nelson Co. will
give a bit of a story. If there was an older male (over 45) then ??
Shall see.

I disagree it seems with everyone else about the Clement Johnson who d
1821. I have the microfilm of the Washington and Nelson Cos. yearly
tax lists up to 1850.
I will not bore you with repeats as I have placed this on the St. Mary's
page several times. They also are listed in Jerry's email . A
Clement lst appears with Leonard Johnson and his other proven sons in
1816. They are all repeated in the same company (militia) together on
Pottinger's Creek 1816, 17, 18 & 20 Tax list for Nelson Co. The 1819
only has two Johnsons listed. Am guessing part of this list has been
lost as there are numerous Johnsons in Nelson Co. KY. They can be
partially separated due to the water course they live on and the company
they belong to.
As the inventory for a Clement Johnson in 1821 has Leonard Johnson as
the administrator and as a Clement Johnson does not appear in any of
the tax list of Nelson Co after 1820..To me it appears that this
Clement Johnson was the son of Leonard Johnson. . At present I believe
that the Clement Johnson who d 1821 was the son of Leonard Johnson
not... his brother Clement However shall see what the 1820 census
shows. However I certainly could be incorrect.

Jerry's email also has what I gave on the tax lists in Washington Co.

So it seems we have a Clement Johnson in both Washington and Nelson Co
for the years of 1809 and 1816.
Mary Ann





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