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From: "Linda Reno" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:38:42 -0500
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Hi Melissa and List,

Thanks for bringing up that issue. I agree that Augustine Ethelbert Cissell
(son of John Baptist and Rebecca) and Ethelbert Cissell (son of John Cissell
and Henrietta) are two different men.

I have the wife of Ethelbert Cissell (1763-1/21/1826) as Elizabeth
Mattingly, but I don't have a middle name of Maria for her. She did,
however, name her daughter (and only child as far as I know), Elizabeth
Maria Cissell (who married George H. Morgan).

I have no real proof, but strongly suspect that the mother of Ethelbert
Cissell and wife of John Cissell was Henrietta Knott, daughter of William
Knott and Ann Mattingly (daughter of Thomas Mattingly II, 1650-1714, and his
second wife, Elizabeth). Lots of interactions between the Knotts and
Mattinglys.

Will of William Knott, SMC, 1/30/1737-3/7/1737. To: Daughters--Monica,
Mildred, Henrietta, and Winifred; John Brayfield; sons, Benjamin and Thomas;
and Mary Mattingly, personalty. Sons: John and Ignatius, each 50 ac. of
dwelling plantation and personalty after their mother's decease. To: Other
7 children and wife Ann (Exec.), residue of estate. Wit.: Richard Cooper,
William Smith, John Baptist Buckman. (Maryland Calendar of Wills).

I feel more confident in saying, though, that Mildred Knott, daughter of
William and Ann, married Michael Cusic shortly after her father's will was
made. It's based on this:

11/14/1744: Michael Cusick paid by the estate of James Clarke, SMC. (James
Clarke, son of John Clarke, Jr. and Elizabeth Mattingly, Ann Mattingly
Knott's half sister).

5/8/1749: Admin. accts. of Ignatius Knott, SMC. Sureties: Thomas Simpson,
John Medley Simpson. Payments from: Richard Hayden, Thomas Knott, Michael
Cusic, James Vincent, and William Knott. Payments to: John Eden, William
Suttle, Ann Knott, Capt. Robert Chesley, Capt. Gilbert Ireland, Thomas
Simpson, Jr., Thompson Simpson, Sr., Thomas Black. Distribution to:
accountant (widow, 1/3). Residue to (orphans): Sarah Knott (aged 10);
Richard Basil Knott (aged 6); Elizabeth Knott (aged 4). Admin.: George
Thompson.

Admin. accts. of John Knott, 6/26/1749. Sureties: Edward Field, John Toon.
Received from: James Buckman, William Knott, Samuel Mattingly, John
Cartwright, Michael Cusic. Payments to: Philip Key, Richard Cooke, Ann
Knott, Joseph Javens, Ignatius Mattingly, Monica Stewart, Grace Johnson,
Thomas Knott, Capt. Gilbert Ireland, Michael Cusic, Capt. Robert Chesley.
Admin.: William Knott.

NOTE: Ignatius Knott and John Knott were the brothers of Mildred Knott.

Mary Knott, dau. of William Knott and Ann Mattingly, married Henry
Mattingly, son of Charles Mattingly (son of Thomas II and Elizabeth).

Winifred Knott, another daughter, married ______Mattingly (can't figure out
his first name for sure and can't place him).

11/30/1767: Bapt. Rebecca, dau. of Aleseius (Aloysius?) and Winifred
Mattingly. GP: Zachariah Knott and Ann Boarman (Jesuit Missions). NOTE:
Zachariah Knott was a brother of Winifred Knott.

4/20/1770: Baptism of Matthew Mattingly, child of Alexander (?) and
Winifred Mattingly. GP: John Maddox and Susan Branson.

I find no further record of Rebecca, Matthew, Winifred or her husband.
Kentucky maybe?

Below is an outline chart of what I have for the first three generations of
the family of William Knott and Ann Mattingly. Additions, corrections, etc.
surely appreciated.

Linda Reno

Descendants of William Knott



1 William Knott 1697 - 1737 b: Bef. 1697 in St. Mary's Co., MD

.. +Ann Mattingly 1706 - 1752 b: 1706 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1717 in
St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 Thomas Knott 1717 - 1736/37 b: Bef. 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 Ignatius Knott 1719 - 1747 b: Bef. 1719 in St. Mary's Co., MD

........... +Mrs. 1724 - 1749 b: Bef. 1724 m: Bef. 1739 in St. Mary's Co.,
MD

................. 3 Sarah Knott 1739 - 1749 b: May 02, 1739 in St. Mary's
Co., MD

................. 3 Richard Basil Knott 1743 - 1817 b: 1743 in St. Mary's
Co., MD

..................... +Mary Drury 1753 - 1817 b: Bef. 1753 in St. Mary's
Co., MD m: Bef. 1766 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Elizabeth Knott 1745 - 1749 b: 1745 in St. Mary's Co.,
MD

....... 2 Mary Knott 1722 - 1737 b: Bef. 1722 in St. Mary's Co., MD

........... +Henry Mattingly 1717 - 1752 b: Bef. 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD
m: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Mary Mattingly 1737 - b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 Monica Knott 1722 - 1752 b: Bef. 1722 in St. Mary's Co., MD

........... +John Stewart 1715 - 1739 b: Bef. 1715 m: Bet. 1737 - 1738 in
St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Mary Stewart 1734 - 1752 b: Bef. 1734 in St. Mary's Co.,
MD

..................... +William Herbert 1724 - 1750 b: Bef. 1724 in St.
Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1749 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Ann Stewart 1737 - b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 John Knott 1728 - 1748 b: Bef. 1728 in St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 Henrietta Knott 1729 - 1763 b: Bef. 1729 in St. Mary's Co., MD

........... +John Cissell 1717 - 1793 b: Bef. 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD m:
Bef. 1744 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Anastasia Cissell 1745 - 1775 b: 1745 in St. Mary's Co.,
MD

..................... +Francis Wheatley, Jr. 1745 - 1775 b: Bef. 1745 in St.
Mary's Co., MD m: June 17, 1771 in St. Fr. Xav. RCC, Compton, St. Mary's
Co., MD

................. 3 Mary Cissell 1750 - 1793 b: 1750 in St. Mary's Co., MD

..................... +John Baptist Thompson 1755 - 1803 b: Bef. 1755 in St.
Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1775 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 James Cissell 1753 - 1766 b: 1753 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 John Cissell, Jr. 1757 - 1800 b: 1757 in St. Mary's Co.,
MD

................. 3 Ethelbert Cissell 1763 - 1826 b: 1763 in St. Mary's Co.,
MD Burial: St. Fr. Xav. RCC, Compton, St. Mary's Co., MD

..................... +Elizabeth Mattingly 1772 - 1793 b: Bef. 1772 in St.
Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1792 in St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 Benjamin (Bennet) Knott 1730 - 1750 b: Bef. 1730 in St. Mary's
Co., MD

....... 2 Mildred Knott 1723 - 1771 b: Bef. 1723 in St. Mary's Co., MD

........... +Michael Cusic 1712 - 1764 b: Bef. 1712 in St. Mary's Co., MD m:
Bet. 1737 - 1738 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Michael Cusic, Jr. 1750 - 1790 b: Bef. 1750

..................... +Jane 1750 - 1790 b: Bef. 1750 m: Bef. February 14,
1770 in St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 Winifred Knott 1737 - 1770 b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD

........... +Alexander Mattingly 1737 - 1770 b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co.,
MD m: Bef. 1767 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Rebecca Mattingly 1767 - b: 1767 in St. Mary's Co., MD

................. 3 Matthew Mattingly 1770 - b: 1770 in St. Mary's Co., MD

....... 2 Zachariah Knott 1747 - 1767 b: Bef. 1747 in St. Mary's Co., MD



----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Young" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough


> This does not answer Jerry's question, but I would like to take
> opportunity to mention a detail that I often see confused. Jerry mentions
> an Augustine Ethelbert Cissell (son of John Baptist Cissell and Rebecca),
> who married Henrietta Rhodes They had one son, whose name escapes me.This
> family emigrated from MD to KY.
>
> There is another Ethelbert Cissell (son of John Cissell and Henrietta) who
> married Elizabeth Maria Mattingly (I believe her to be the daughter of
> Thomas Mattingly (of Clement of Thomas III) and Elizabeth, who had one
> daughter, Elizabetha Maria Cecil. This Ethelbert used the Cecil spelling
> towards the end of his life. This family stayed in St. Mary's County, as
> documented through census and records of public service....two distinctly
> different families. As a direct descendant of this Ethelbert, I have an
> interest in the distinction.
>
> I almost always see these two families snarled together with one father,
> (Augustine) Ethelbert Cissell, married to two wives, both Henrietta (or
> Harriett Rhodes) and Elizabeth Mattingly and two children, a son and
> daughter. I am certain this is incorrect, and can provide enough
> documentation on the St. Mary's family to prove so, if any one would like
> to see proof. If any of you can provide info to help me unsnarl, I would
> like to know more.
>
> Thanks, Jerry for
> letting me piggyback on you!
>
> Melissa Young
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry L. Clark" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:52 PM
> Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough
>
>
>> Dear list,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Want to revisit our past discussion on Edward Howard whose son Thomas
>> Howard
>> married Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nelson County, Ky pg 47; Will book 209
>>
>>
>>
>> Will of Thomas Howard. Wife Ann, negroes, plantation and stock. Niece
>> Mary
>> Cissell, some stock and furniture.
>>
>> A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: wife Ann.
>>
>> Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts & Valin Hefner. Written
>>
>> 28 May 1810, prob 16 Jul 1810.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rest of the listings for Thomas Howard- Will Abstracts 1785-1820, Nelson
>> Co
>>
>> Genealogists:
>>
>>
>>
>> same source, pg 48 ; Will Book pg 242: Inventory of personal estate of
>> Thomas Howard, dec'd by Edward Montgomery, Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin. 24
>> Nov
>> 1810.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure who Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin were, does anyone know who they
>> married?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Who did Raphael Knotts marry?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Now John Baptist Cissell married twice once to an Ann ? and if I have it
>> correctly he had:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah Cissell who married Augustine Barron
>>
>> Mathew Cissell who married Sarah Howard daughter of John Baptist Howard
>> and
>> Elizabeth Johnson
>>
>> Mary Cissell who married Charles Howard son of of John Baptist Howard and
>> Elizabeth Johnson
>>
>> Zacharia Cissell who married Sarah Miles daughter of Barton Elexius Miles
>> and Priscilla ?
>>
>>
>>
>> John Baptist Cissell then married Rebecca ? and had:
>>
>>
>>
>> Augustine Ethelbert Cissell who married Henrietta Rhodes
>>
>> Thomas Cissell
>>
>> Ann "Nancy Cissell who married Leonard Mattingly son of Leonard Mattingly
>> Sr.
>>
>> William Cissell
>>
>> Sylvester Cissell
>>
>> Jeremiah Cissell married Mary Vessells daughter of James Vessells and
>> Temperance Tippetts
>>
>> Henry B. Cissell
>>
>> Zacharia Cissell who married an Ann Clarke
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I have Valentine Hefner married to Priscilla Burch on 18 Jan 1808
>> Nelson
>> County, KY daughter of Walter Burch and Teresa Hagan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So If I look at will of Thomas Howard son of Edward Howard if he is
>> referring to his niece Mary Cissell, was she the same Mary Cissell who
>> married Charles Howard son of John Baptist Howard?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have Henry Burch married to Teresa Parker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles Howard who married Mary Cisell married on 22 Dec 1796 Nelson
>> County, Ky so if Thomas Howard was referring to same Mary Cissell then
>> why
>> would he not address her as Mary Cisell (Howard)
>>
>>
>>
>> What other Mary Cissell could he be referring to?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Did Edward Howard marry a Burch or did John Baptist Cissell marry a Burch
>> as
>> either one of his wives?
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a clue we just have not figured out yet that could open this up
>> more on mystery of Howard's from st. Mary's County, Maryland who went to
>> Nelson or Washington County, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps Linda can give us another one of her revelations such as John
>> Baptist Howard marrying Elizabeth Johnson which put in place several
>> children of David Johnson and who they married.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any corrections or additions I welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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