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From: "Linda Reno" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Edward Howard
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:20:13 -0500
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I happen to have the book by Mildred O'Brian and there is no Edward Howard
listed in the index. I also checked the Archives of Maryland for that era
and tried all different variations of spellings and didn't find an Edward
Howard there either. My last chance was the following which doesn't include
the name of Edward Howard, but does mention others.
From: "St. Mary's Co. in the American Revolution, Calendar of Events" by
Austin Howard, Pvt., Co. of Flying Camp, St. Mary's Co., 7/28/1776.
Enlisted in Smallwood's Regt., 5/18/1778. Discharged 11/1/1780.
Ignatius Howard. Private, Army Draught, 7/27/1781. Cont. Army, discharged,
Leonard Howard, Pvt, 2nd Regt., Md. Line, 5/23/1778. Discharged 4/3/1779.
Peregrine Howard, Pvt., Enlisted in 3rd Md. Regt., 4/16/1779. Smallwood's
Regt., 5/9/1779. Discharged 11/1/1780.
Thomas Howard, Seaman on Ship Defence, 9/19/1776. Midshipman on Ship
Bounty, 7/2/1777. Paid bounty by the State for making salt, 7/15/1782.
William Howard, Pvt., Co. of Flying Camp, St. Mary's Co., 7/28/1776.
Corporal, Enlisted Smallwood's Regt., 2/24/1778. Discharged, 11/1/1780.
William Howard, Carpenter's crew on Ship Defence, 9/19/1776. Carpenter's
Mate on Ship Defence, 8/15/1777.
William Howard, Marine on Ship Defence, 1777.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary A. Shoemaker" <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Edward Howard
> Peden has in his book: REV PATRIOTS OF CALVERT & ST. MARY'S COUNTIES MD,
> 1775-1783, p 146
> *Howard, Edward, Private,* St. Mary's Co Militia, 1777, *Took the Oath of
> Allegiance in St. Mary's Co*. in 1780 (Ref "OBrian, Mildred B., CALVERT
> COUNTY MD FAMILY RECORDS 1670-1929)
> For wwhat ever use this may be......DAR Genealogists do not use Peden for
> reference for Rev War service unless his references can be proven. Mary
> Ann Shoemaker
> Linda Reno wrote:
>> The Howards, as I said earlier today, can be overwhelming. There were
>> quite a few of them, spread throughout Maryland. In trying to identify
>> the Howards of Kentucky, I wonder if anyone has taken into consideration
>> which Howards signed the Oath of Allegience. Remember that the Oath was
>> required by all males age 18 or over and if they didn't take it, there
>> were sanctions placed on them. Here are the Howard men from St. Mary's
>> County who signed the Oath followed by who administered it--helps to
>> locate where they lived in the County:
>> George (Richard Barnes); Austin (Richard Barnes); Leonard (Richard
>> Barnes); William (Ignatius Fenwick, Jr.); Peter (of Thomas), bay side
>> (John Ireland); Joseph (John Ireland); Jonathan (John Ireland); Peter (of
>> Thomas), (John Ireland); James, Sr. (John Ireland); Peter (John Shanks);
>> Thomas (John Shanks).
>> As you will notice, there's no one by the name of Edward Howard or John
>> Baptist Howard, both of whom would have been of age to have had to sign.
>> Has anyone searched the Oaths from other Maryland counties to see if
>> these men are listed?
>> Linda Reno
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark"
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:09 PM
>> Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Edward Howard
>>> Here is what I currently believe
>>> Edward Howard born about 1720 married ?
>>> They Have:
>>> Thomas Howard born abt 1740 dies abt 1810 in Nelson County, KY
>>> James Howard born 14 April 1752 died 1802 in Washington County, KY
>>> Mary Jackson (married in Maryland location unknown before 1775.
>>> John Baptist Howard born abt 1757 died 1803 in Nelson County, KY married
>>> Elizabeth Johnson (daughter of David Johnson)before 1777.
>>> Reason Howard born abt 1760 married Betsy Brashears
>>> William B. Howard born abt 1763 died Nov 1860 in New Haven, Nelson
>>> KY married Ann Clarke (daughter of Joseph Clarke and Mary ?)
>>> Eleanor Howard born about 1766 married Peter Cissell born abt 1764
>>> Now according to Ann Hamilton who hasn't been very correct on her early
>>> analysis of these Early Howard's, she thought that John Baptist Howard
>>> his brother James Howard were from the Charles Howard from Ann Arrundel
>>> County, Maryland who married Mary Selby.
>>> But I studied the ann Arrundel County, Howards even entered in over 1500
>>> Howards in my data base only to discover there was no connection
>>> The only Howard early enough to be their Father in my opinion is Edward
>>> Howard. If Thomas Howard was his only son then I would have to regroup
>>> She also states there was a Richard Howard, a Charles Howard, and a
>>> Pottenger Howard(none of these could I find anywhere so don't know where
>>> gets this idea.
>>> Of Course my age approximations could be off making the family fit in
>>> nicely. I think the Early Charles Howard who appears on Census Records
>>> Nelson County, KY was either Charles Howard born abt 1777 who married
>>> Cissell( son of John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth Johnson), or Charles
>>> Howard born abt 1775 (son of James Howard and Mary Jackson) who married
>>> Frances "Fanny" Thompson
>>> James Howard and Mary Jackson also had a son Richard Howard.
>>> So I eliminate a Charles and Richard as brothers of John Baptist Howard.
>>> Also Mary Yoder points out that William Howard who married Ann Clarke
>>> the Reason Howard who married Betty Brashears were both married in
>>> George's County, Maryland. Do we have their Marriage Dates?
>>> Keep in mind that all of these Howards would have been already married
>>> Living on their own before coming to Nelson County, KY and so ruling
>>> out simply because of where they married is not a good argument in my
>>> to say they could not be brothers.
>>> I find the most interesting Connections between Thomas Howard who
>>> Ann Gough, John Baptist Howard who married Elizabeth Johnson, James
>>> who married Mary Jackson, and the William Howard who married ann Clarke,
>>> they all have connections to many of the same families.
>>> And we still know nothing about possible daughters.
>>> I just cannot bring myself to believe that Edward Howard was a brother
>>> John Baptist Howard based on known knowledge that Edward Howard would
>>> been born about 1720 to have a son Thomas Howard born 1740.
>>> I think further research could reveal more daughters married to perhaps
>>> Cissell, Burch, or Vessell's.
>>> Who Edward Howard married or Proof of his children may be impossible to
>>> prove. It's all guessing at this Point although I do know John Batist
>>> and James howard who married Mary Jackson, are definitely brothers.
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