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From: "Jerry L. Clark" <>
Subject: RE: [MDSTMARY-L] James Howard and Mary Jackson their children
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:29:15 -0700
In-Reply-To: <026201c52e37$f8260f50$0200a8c0@D983XB51>


Well Linda,


I have more problems. James Howard son of James Howard and Mary Jackson is
still living in 1813, so these orphans can't be his either, unless his wife
died but he did not.

I really don't know the answer I have data that I got from what others have
told me, and now I have some questions as to why it's not working.

Thomas Forrest is on Land records also with Charles Howard who married
Frances "Fanny Thompson until at least until 1807.

Does anyone know if Thomas Forrest died? And when? Because if Mollie Howard
remarried to Samuel elliot by 1814, so did Thomas Forrest died between 1807-
and 1814?

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Reno [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:04 AM
To: Jerry L. Clark;
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] James Howard and Mary Jackson their children

Jerry,

I don't know about you, but I find it a little more than coincidental that,
with the exception of Anny, all of these children match the last ones named
by James Howard in his will and all are under the guardianship of Charles
Howard in 1812.

From James Howard's will:

other two thirds to be sold and the money divided amongst all my children
that is to Anny Mollie, James Richard Susannah Trieciey. Item 4 I do will

to my Daughter Kattey five shillings. Item 5 I do constitute and appoint
Mary Howard executrix Done this 13th day of February, 1802. Wit.: Henry
Smock, William Vessells, James Vessells. (Book A, p. 268).

3/9/1812: Polly Howard, James Howard, Richard Howard, Susanna Howard, and
Teresa Howard, orphans of James Howard. Guardian: Charles Howard.
Bondsman: Stephen Spalding. (Washington Co., Ky Guardian Bonds 1792-1834).

Linda Reno


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry L. Clark" <>
To: "'Linda Reno'" <>; <>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [MDSTMARY-L] James Howard and Mary Jackson their children


> Like I'm suggesting now that those orphans appear to be children of
> William
> James Howard who married Martha Hamilton, because Mary "Mollie" Howard was
> already married 1st to Thomas Forrest 14 April 1804 and then she remarried
> Samuel Elliot on 14 April 1814 in Washington County, KY. She moved with
> some
> of her brothers and sisters and mother to Perry County, Missouri. She died
> on 29 Sept 1826 in Perry County, Missouri. I think she was born abt 1784
>
>
> So these Orphans are not the children of James Howard and Mary Jackson,
> but
> they are probably children of William James Howard and Martha Hamilton.
>
>
> I'm pretty sure that the Charles Howard listed as a Guardian is probably
> the
> Charles Howard who married Frances "Fanny Thompson. Because he appears on
> land records with Stephen Spalding who married an Ann ?
>
> Yes there appears to have been a Mollie Howard and a Polly Howard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Reno [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:17 AM
> To: Jerry L. Clark;
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] James Howard and Mary Jackson their children
>
> Jerry,
>
> It doesn't appear that Molly Howard married anyone until after 1812.
> She's
> shown as a minor in 1812.
>
> 3/9/1812: Polly Howard, James Howard, Richard Howard, Susanna Howard, and
> Teresa Howard, orphans of James Howard. Guardian: Charles Howard.
> Bondsman: Stephen Spalding. (Washington Co., Ky Guardian Bonds
> 1792-1834).
>
> Or, was there a Molly and a Polly? James Howard calls his daughter Mollie
> in his will. If so, who the heck is Polly?
>
> Linda Reno
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry L. Clark" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:51 AM
> Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] James Howard and Mary Jackson their children
>
>
>> Linda and list,
>>
>>
>> I took the known children of James Howard and since I did not have dates
>> of
>> birth on many of them I decided to create some based on when they got
>> married, now the dates may be off some, but it gives me a very close idea
>> as
>> to when they were likely born if I assume they were age 20 when they
>> married.
>>
>> This may not always work, but it helped.
>>
>> For instance.
>>
>> Charles Howard married Frances "Fanny Thompson on 21 April 1800 in
>> Washington County, KY, if we subtract 20 years from 1800, that gives me
>> 1780
>> as a birth year. Now some claim he was actually born about about 1775 not
>> sure if there is something to suggest an earlier date of birth.
>>
>> Catherine "Katy" Howard who married Charles Vessells on 23 Oct 1799
>> Washington County, Kentucky. If we subtract 20 years from 1799 I get a
>> birth
>> date of 1779 this matches real good with her husband Charles Vessells who
>> was born abt 1777.
>>
>> Mary "Mollie" Howard married Thomas Forrest on 14 April 1804 Washington
>> County, KY. If I subtract 20 years from 1804 that gives me a birth date
>> for
>> Mary "Mollie" Howard as abt 1784
>>
>> William James Howard married Martha Hamilton on 23 Apr 1796 Washington
>> County, KY. So if we subtract 20 years from 1796 we get 1776 as a birth
>> year
>> for William James Howard.
>>
>> Susanna Howard married Joseph Tinsley on 4 Sept 1800 Washington County,
>> KY.
>> Based on 1800 marriage date subtract 20 years then we end up with her
>> birth
>> year abt 1780.
>>
>>
>> I can't do the same with other children until I get a marriage date on
>> these
>> other Children.
>>
>> Teresa Howard married David Cripps - when and Where were they married?
>>
>> Ann Howard married Robert H. Wimsatt- when and Where were they married?
>>
>> I'm also wondering if I have correct Richard Howard in right spot because
>> now that it's possible that Richard Howard who married his cousin Louisa
>> Howard. I have him born abt 1791 that makes me wonder if the Richard
>> Howard
>> son of perhaps William James Howard might be the one who married Louisa
>> Howard.
>>
>> If anyone has different dates based on better knowledge of when there
>> spouses were born I'm open to adjust my dates a little. But at least it
>> gives me a better Idea as to when they might have been born.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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