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From: "Dobricky, John" <>
Subject: RE: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Coode
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:10:49 -0400


Hi folks! I just got back from vacation. I think that Elizabeth
Guibert, daughter of Joshua Guibert II and Ann Boarman did marry Thomas
Jones (although he may have been Thomas Janes). I did a lot of research
while on vacation and let me list my ideas:

1) The idea that Elizabeth Guibert (daughter not of Joshua Guibert II
but, instead, of his brother, Thomas Guibert (d. 1728-29) and Sarah
(Jordan?))married (1) James Neale (d. 1761--son of Benjamin Neale and
Mary Edelen)and (2) his brother, Gerard Neale (who, himself, married (2)
Ann Pye), seems to have originated in the 1960's with Harry Wright
Newman (in his Semmes and Kindred Families book (which I have)).
However, Newman did not give any documentation for this theory.

2) If you look at the Sureties for the Administration Bond of Elizabeth
_______ Neale (Widow of the James Neale who died in 1761--the same woman
who married (2) Gerard Neale), they are in no way connected to the
Guibert family. This is telling.

3) The Elizabeth Guibert who married the James Neale (d. 1753) who was
the son of Roswell Neale and (his second wife) Elizabeth Blackistone,
was, I am convinced, the Elizabeth Guibert who was the daughter of
Thomas Guibert (d. 1728-29) and Sarah (possibly Jordan).

4) When James Neale, his wife, Elizabeth (Guibert) Neale, and Ann
Guibert (the other daughter of Thomas Guibert and Sarah (Jordan?)) made
an agreement (in 1743) about the division of the offspring of slaves
left by Thomas Guibert (d. 1728-29) to the two girls, the witnesses to
the agreement were Robert Yates and James Jordan.

5) Robert Yates also administered the Estate of James Neale (d.
1753--son of Roswell Neale and Elizabeth Blackistone). This is somewhat
compelling circumstantial evidence that the Elizabeth Guibert who
married James Neale (d. 1753) was the one who was the daughter of Thomas
Guibert (d. 1728-29) and Sarah (Jordan?).

6) My ancestor, James Neale (b. circa 1750 and d. circa 1810--he married
Mary Gibson and would have been the son of James Neale (d. 1753) and
Elizabeth Guibert) also had a son named "Thomas G. Neale." We have
speculated as to whether or not his name was actually "Thomas Guibert
Neale."

7) At this point, I am pretty sure that (a) after the death of Thomas
Guibert (d. 1728-29), Sarah (Jordan?) Guibert ended up marrying Robert
Yates and died circa 1775 in Charles County, MD, as Sarah Yates.
Interestingly, in her Will, Sarah (Jordan?) Guibert (?) Yates mentions a
grand-daughter, "Sarah Muir." Doctor William Muir (who was born in
Scotland, lived in SMC, and ended up dying in Kentucky) married (1)
Sarah "Sally" Neale and (2) Elizabeth Locke. Until proven otherwise, I
am saying that James Neale (d. 1753--son of Roswell Neale and Elizabeth
Blackistone) and Elizabeth Guibert (daughter of Thomas Guibert (d.
1728-29) and Sarah (Jordan?)) had, at least, a son, James Neale (d.
circa 1810--he married Mary Gibson) and a daughter, Sarah ("Sally")
Neale who married (as his first wife) Doctor William Muir. Sarah
("Sally") (Neale) Muir died circa 1778.

8) I think that, way back in the 1960's, Harry Wright Newman had to come
up with a James Neale who married (before 1743) Elizabeth Guibert
(daughter of Thomas Guibert (d. 1728-29) and Sarah (Jordan?) and,
basically, pulled James Neale (d. 1761--son of Benjamin Neale and Mary
Edelen) "out of the hat." Heaven knows, we've all done the same thing
at one time or another.

I know this is controversial. Feedback welcome. Thanks! John Dobricky



-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Moller [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:57 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Coode


Hi Linda and List,
I have the following, could you tell me is she the d/o Joshua Guibert
and
Ann Boarman? Or the d/o Joshua Guibert the s/o Joshua and Ann Boarman?

Thanks,
Shirley Middleton Moller


Maryland Marriages, 1634-1777, Maryland Marriages, 1634-1777, Page 100
Jones, Thomas, son of Capt. Thomas Jones of Liverpool, 15 Oct 1751,
Elizabeth Guibert, dau. of Joshua Guibert of St. M. Co.
3-SO-4


----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Reno" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Coode


> In some cases our records differ. I have as follows.
>
> John Coad died in September 1766:
>
> 6/30/1768: Admin. accts. of John Coode, SMC. Died September 1766.
> Received from: Hilliard Hebb. Payments to: James Jordan, John Eden,
> Thomas Yates, John Shanks, Thomas Key, Esq. (surviving exec. of Philip

> Key, Esq.), Dr. Henry Jernigan, Eleanor McFarlane (admx. of Alexander
> McFarlane), John Tarlton, John Lowe, Gerard Guibert, Charles
Goldsborough,
> Esq., Samuel Abell, Walter Dulany, Esq., Jeremiah Jordan. Admx.:
Susanna
> Coode. (Admin. accts. of the Prerogative Court of Maryland, Libers,
52-58,
> 1764-1768 by V. L. Skinner, Jr.). NOTE: This record is not on CD
#206.
>
> Susanna (Guibert) Coad was living as late as 1770:
>
> 2/18/1770: Admin. accts. of John Coode, SMC. Payments to: Wm.
> Jordan,
> Wm. Hammersley, George Snell, Matthew Mason, Walter Dulany, Esq., Owen

> Allen. Admx.: Susanna Coode. (Admin. accts. of the Prerogative Court
of
> Maryland, Libers, 59-66, 1768-1771 by V. L. Skinner, Jr.). NOTE:
This
> record is not on CD #206.
>
> I have no record of this John Coad having a brother named James. I do
> have a record of a brother named William, but he predeceased John by
over
> 20 years.
>
> The administration accounts of John Coad dated 1/16/1767 name his NOK
> as
> William and John Coad. No James Coad is listed. I think the William
and
> John Coad mentioned are his sons.
>
> I show that Thomas Coad, brother of John Coad, died about the same
> time as
> John:
>
> 11/21/1766: Admin. accts. of Thomas Coad, SMC. Next of kin, Daniel
> Rawlings and Richard King. Execs: Ann Rawlings, Charles King and his
> wife, Susanna King.
>
> 6/25/1771: Admin. accts. of Thomas Coade, SMC. Payments to: Henry
> Williams, Thomas Allstan, Henry Jerningham, Bennet Wheeler, William
> Gibson, Joshua Gibson, John Gardiner, John Shanks, Jr., John Coade,
Mary
> Hoskins, James Jordan, Wm. Fenill, Wm. Hammersley, Henry McMullen,
Charles
> Goldsborough, Walter Dulany, Esq., Samuel Abell, Henry Williams,
Thomas
> Key, John Allen Thomas. Admin.: Ann Rawlings, Charles King and his
wife,
> Susanna King. (Admin. accts. of the Prerogative Court of Maryland,
> Libers, 59-66, 1768-1771 by V. L. Skinner, Jr.). NOTE: This record
is
> not on CD #206.
>
> I can't tell from your notes whose will you're citing dated 8/10/1780;
> proved 2/13/1784??? Now I see....these are the dates of the will of
> Joshua Coad.
>
> Susanna Guibert, wife of John Coad, was the daughter of Joshua Guibert

> and
> his first wife, Ann Boarman. His second wife was Jane Coad (sister of
the
> John Coad under discussion and Jane Coad and John Coad were the
children
> of John Coad and Ann Blackistone). I've never heard of a Jane
Boardman.
>
> Children of Joshua Guibert and Ann Boarman:
>
> 1. Mary Guibert who married John Woodward. They moved to Montgomery
> Co.,
> MD. Children: Joseph, John, and Luke Woodward.
>
> 2. ____Guibert who married Edward Sanders. Children: Joshua and
> John
> Sanders (not Sandys as stated in the will abstract)
>
> 3. Susanna Guibert who married John Coad, per discussion.
>
> 4. Elizabeth Guibert who married first, James Neale; second, John
> Dunbar;
> and third, James Woodward.
>
> James Neale, married 1746-1747. He died January 14, 1753. One child:
> James Neale, Jr., b. 1748.
>
> John Dunbar, married ca1753. He died bef. April 08, 1763. He was the

> son
> of John Dunbar and Ann Blackistone (who married second, John Coad
above)
> and he was the brother of the James Dunbar to whom you referred. Will
of
> James Dunbar, SMC 7/1/1750-9/24/1750. Father: John, use of negroes.
> Niece: Henrietta Guibert, negroes George and Hannah after the death of
my
> father and "Timberneck" now in the possession of Thomas Underwood.
To:
> John Coad, son of John negroes Nessy and Nell after my father's death.

> Exec: Father, John Dunbar. Wit: James Dickson, John Somerville, John
> Guibert.
>
> James Woodward, married ca1763. 8/3/1763: Admin. accts. of John
> Dunbar,
> SMC. Received from: Philip Key. Payments to: Thomas Reeder, John
Eden,
> Wm. Jordan, Lord Baltimore (paid to Norman Bruce), James Jordan.
Admx.:
> Elizabeth Woodward, wife of James Woodward. (Admin. accts. of the
> Prerogative Court of Maryland, Libers, 37-45, 1754-1760 by V. L.
Skinner,
> Jr.). NOTE: This record is not on CD #206.
>
> 5. Joshua Guibert.
>
> 6. Ann Guibert. No record after 1746.
>
> Children of Joshua Guibert and Jane Coad:
>
> 1. Henrietta Guibert. Not named in the will of Joshua Guibert, she
> may
> have been a posthumous child.
>
> I have no record of a John Coad married to an Elizabeth Burch. I do
> have
> a John CADE of Prince George's Co. whose wife was Elizabeth Burch and
she
> married second, Thomas Owen. 10/26/1732: Admin. accts. of John Cade,
P.
> G. Co. Mentions two children (unnamed). Admx: Elizabeth Owen, wife
of
> Thomas Owen.
>
> I have no record of a James Dunbar having moved to NC. Unless there's
> some really compelling evidence, I don't see a connection between the
> Coads of St. Mary's County and the folks in NC.
>
> Linda Reno
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:58 PM
> Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Coode
>
>
>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>>
>> Classification: Query
>>
>> Message Board URL:
>>
>> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oEB.2ACE/2627
>>
>> Message Board Post:
>>
>> John Coode III (BIRTH1690?)-(Both of his Grandmothers were
>> Gerrard's)-
>> Marriage 1 Susannah Guibert -Married in River Springs on the Potomac,
St.
>> Mary's Co. MD-Death: BEF 16 JAN 1767 in St./ Mary's Co., MD Note:
Estate
>> was administered by Susannah Coode Guibert, his wife. It was recorded
in
>> MD Archives at 206:00:05.(death in Maryland. No children were
listed?)
>> Next of kin listed were his brothers, James Coode and William Coode.
(We
>> don't have any info on James and William. The older brother Thomas
must
>> have been deceased by this date.) Will: 10 Aug 1780/pvn 13 feb 1784
>> Probate, MD. Susannah's father Joshua Guibert died in 1743.
Occupation:
>> Commissioner of St. Mary's Co. and member of MD Assembly --Will: 10
NOV
>> 1743 Bedlam's Rest, St. Mary's Co., MD His wife, the former Jane
>> Boardman was executor of his estate. His will was dated Ten November
1743
>> and was probated about a month later. Jane was to inherit all of his
real
>> land personal estate. and at her!
>> death it was to be divided among his children, Elizabeth (Spouse:
James
>> Neal), Anne (Spouse: James Dunbar), Joshua Jr. (Spouse: Joan Coode),
>> Susannah Coode ( Spouse: John Coode) and Mary Woodward. To
Grandchildren
>> Luke Woodward and Joseph Woodward, Joshua Coode (Sailor: left estate
to
>> sister Joan) and John Coode (Spouse:1 Elizabeth BURCH Spouse 2 Mary
>> Neal) Next of Kin mentioned were Thomas Coode and James
Dunbar.---James
>> Dunbar: Death: 1750 in St. Mary's Co. MD Will: 1750 St/ Mary's Co.
MD. It
>> appears that this Thomas Coode was an older Grandson or John had an
older
>> brother named Thomas, but how would he be related. William Dunbar
later
>> married Susannah after the death of John Coode --James (Dunbar)
Dunber :
>> Randolph Co. NC. Year: 1790 Roll: M637_7 Page: 100 Image:
0176---Timothy
>> (Coode/Cude) Code : Randolph Co. NC. Year: 1790 Roll: M637_7 Page: 98

>> Image: 0163-- In 1790 Timothy was in his fifties, this James Dunbar
was
>> probably a stepbrother or cousin-Randolph Count!
>> y was formed in 1779 from a portion of Guilford County that
previously
>> (1770) was part of Rowan County. -What can we prove about Thomas
Coode.
>> Thomas COODE (COODY) Sex: M -Birth: abt. 1727 in Maryland or Orange
Co.
>> VA ?-1748 Tax List of John Phillips Lunenburg County,
VA.---Thos.(Coode)
>> Coody (This was about the time Timothy was born )--Pearce (Coode)
Codey
>> 2 tithes (Males over 16 years old)--1784 Thomas Coode Surry Co. NC--

>> Thomas Coode/Coody (abt. 1727) appears to be one of John (1648)
Coode's
>> descendents thru his son John (1675)and John (1690?)-Thomas (Coode)
Coody
>> 1759 Rowan Co., NC.-- Thomas Coode/Coody, moved from the lower Yadkin

>> River Valley, Old Rowan County, now Randoph and Davidson Counties, by

>> 1772--His wife Susanna Arnold Sex: F Birth: 1732 :Father: Isaac
ARNOLD b:
>> 1685 in Old Rappahannock Co. Virginia Death: 1758 in King George Co
>> Va-Mother: Margaret GOFFE :b: ABT 1688 in Virginia -Married: ABT 1707
in
>> Richmond Co Va--Sources: Repository: County Court King George County
VA
>> :Title: Will of Isaac Arnold: Marriage 1 Thomas !
>> Coode --It appears that Susanna may have went back to King George Co.
VA.
>> After Thomas's death as when women are listed they are usually
widows.
>> Thomas was probably from this area for them to have met and married.
>> Susannah Coode, : King George Co. Virginia Year: 1810 Roll: M252_69
Page:
>> 194 Image: 458-- Elizabeth Massey, Spouse: (?)(Coode) Coad-Marriage
Date:
>> 01 Dec 1766-King George Co. Virginia---Note the King George Co. VA.
>> Timothy Masey: Guilford Co. North Carolina Year: 1790 Roll: M637_7
Page:
>> 152 Image: 0285 --- Were these relatives of Timothy Coode's. Many of
>> Susanna's brothers and sisters spent time around Spotsylvania Co.,
VA.
>> Isaac ARNOLD II:Sex: M Birth: 1708 in King George Co. Va Death: 18
Oct
>> 1770 in Spottsylvania Co. married 1728 Spottsylvania Co. VA. to Sarah

>> Morton. They have 9 children. Her brother William A. Arnold Sex: M
Birth:
>> 1725 in King George Co., Va. Death: 1775 in Spotsylvania Co., Va.-
>> Marriage 1 Lydia Bell b: ABT. 1725 !
>> in Va. -Married: ABT. 1746---Benjamin ARNOLD -Sex: M Birth: ABT 1716
D
>> eath: 1796 in , South Carolina -Marriage 1 Bathsheba BELL---1779
Randolph
>> County, William Cole's List --John Bell ---Hamon Miller --Godfrey
>> Ridge --John Coode (Coady), s[ingle]. Man. --John Coode was staying
with
>> John Bell. Probably a relation on his mothers side. The first record
of
>> Timothy Coode/Cude, we can find is Signs Regulator Advertisement No.
9,
>> April 1768 (see _The Colonial Records of North Carolina_, Vol VII, pp

>> 737; name is Timothy Code) , His birth was about 1748. If so he was
born
>> in Virginia. TIMOTHY CUDE (COOD) State: NC County: Randolph County
>> Township: Tax List Year: 1779 Database: NC Early Census Index ( If
he
>> was born about 1748, he would be 31 at this time.) (Timothy's
property is
>> on Brush Creek near Grays Chapel, NC )Timothey CUDE (Code) Township:
Not
>> Stated County: Randolph State: North Carolina Year: 1790 Roll: M637_7

>> Page: 98 Image: 016 TIMOTHY CUDE--1788 - Obtains 200 Acres from the
State
>> of North Carolina. This property is on Brush !
>> Creek near Grays Chapel, NC (see Deed Records, Randolph County, NC,
Book
>> 3, pp 341; name is Timothy Cood) ---- Timothey CUDE (CODE) Birth
Date:
>> 175? Birthplace: North Carolina Volume: 31 Page Number: 316
Reference:
>> Heads of fams. at the first U.S. census. NC. By U.S. Bureau of the
>> Census. Washington, 1908. (292p.):98----These are Timothy's children
and
>> Grandchildren. James Cude (Coudy), Township: Salisbury County:
Guilford
>> State: North Carolina Year: 1800 Roll: M32_31 Page: 654 Image: 606 (
>> Timothy's son. ) Timothy Cude, Township: Hillsboro County: Randolph
>> State: North Carolina Year: 1800 Roll: M32_32 Page: 306 Image:
>> 286 --James CUDE (Coad), Township: Not Stated County: Guilford
State:
>> North Carolina Year: 1830 Roll: 121 Page: 155--Timothy CUDE (Coad),
>> Township: Not Stated County: Guilford State: North Carolina Year:
1830
>> Roll: 121 Page: 155--- Timothy CUDE (Cood) Township: Not Stated
County:
>> Guilford State: North Carolina Roll: 361 Page: 255 --- Will CUD!
>> E ( Cood) Township: Not Stated County: Guilford State: North Carolina
>> Roll: 361 Page: 256 ------ Jas Coode 1840 : Guilford Co. North
Carolina
>> Roll: 361 Page: 277
>>
>>
>>
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