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From: "SHIRLEY MOLLER" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: Clement Riney info
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:16:21 -0700
References: <000601c6aad5$94a3b330$6500a8c0@Shirley><44BE4506.000035.03516@HPPAV>


Thanks Dottie,
I did some research last summer on these families and anytime info comes up
on them I like to know the source for it, so thanks for sharing it.
Shirley Middleton Moller




----- Original Message -----
From: "djhimes" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: Clement Riney info


> In response to Shirley Moller's questions about Clement Riney
>
> 1) Shirley asked: I see you state that Elizabeth Ann Gates' father is a
> James Gates, can
> you tell me how you know that? Source for it?
>
> Response: my source is in the book Riney, Blandford, Mulligan and
> O'Danilel
> Families of MD and KY by Thomas David Riney, page 83 which shows Elizabeth
> Ann Gates (wife of Clement Riney) Eliz b abt 1792
> in ? d Dec 1, 1863 Washington Co, KY 11 children Daughter of James
> Gates
> b. unknown in ? d before 1810. No further information on her family as
> the
> book was primarily re the Riney etc. families.
>
> 2)Shirley asked: Who do you believe is the parents of Clement b ca 1772?
>
> Response: I have Clement Riney born abt 1786 in MD and son of Thomas
> Riney
> and Priscilla
> His approximate date of birth was based upon the St. Rose Registry of
> Deaths
> which listed him as age 76 at death when he died July 12, 1862. Married
> by
> F. T. Wilson in Washington Co, KY in 1810.
>
> However, I think Shirley was referring to an older Clement Riney born abt
> 1772 as I had sent to Shirley that the Riney book said there was another
> Clement Riney b about 1772 that was not to be mistaken for the Clement
> Riney
> b. abut 1786 and Elizabeth ann Gates.
> No other information was told about the older Clement Riney except for a
> notorious 1793 Washington
> Co. lawsuit in which he as accused by Joseph Alvey (broinlaw of Zachariah
> Riney) of an immoral act, The case was thrown out, and in turn Joseph
> Alvey
> was convicted of slander by the older Clement Riney. This source was from
> page 75 of the Riney book. No other information was told about the older
> Clement Riney.
>
> This is all the info that I could find from this book.
>
> Dottie Porter Himes
>
> Dottie Himes
> Lewisport, KY 42351
>
>
> FAMILY=Father and Mother I love you! My Genealogy Surnames: Ahlers,
> Moehring
> Heim, Himes, Shroyer, Swadener / Brent, Burch, Clements, Gunnell, Hagan,
> Hutchins, Porter /Hayden, Mulligan, Riney, Young, and many more. Can we
> connect?
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: SHIRLEY MOLLER
> Date: 07/18/06 20:49:29
> To: djhimes
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: Clement Riney info
>
> Boy did this get my attention.............WOW....
>
> Who do you believe is the parents of Clement b ca 1772?
>
> Shirley
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "djhimes" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: Clement Riney info
>
>
>> Shirley
>>
>>
>>
>> I think your last email is all correct as Elizabeth Ann Gates died
>> 12-1-1863
>>
>> YOUR EMAIL SAID
>>
>> "I did some quick looking at the 1860 Census for KY, Washington Co., and
>>
>> Clement Riney shows up 70 yrs of age, b in MD; the only other person
>> living
>>
>> in his home is a Thomas Riney, probably his son age 27. But that would
>> mean
>>
>> that his wife Elizabeth Ann Gates was deceased before 9 Jun 1869 census
>>
>> taking."
>>
>>
>>
>> RE Francis Gates, this might be Elizabeth Gates brother, her father was
>> James Gates.
>>
>> YOUR EMAIL "There is a Francis Gates family next door, a Francis Gates
>> age
>> 54 b in KY
>>
>> farmer living with a Joseph Corbet and his family."
>>
>>
>>
>> This is what Dottie Porter Himes has in my database:
>>
>>
>>
>> Descendants of Clement Riney
>>
>> 1 Clement RINEY b: Abt. 1790 MD d: 12 Jul 1862 KY, Washington Co.
>>
>> . +Elizabeth Ann GATES b: Abt. 1792 unknown m: 16 Oct 1810 Washington
>> Co.,
>> KY d: 01 Dec 1863 KY, Washington Co. Father: James Gates Mother: Mrs. (?)
>> Gates, W of James
>>
>> 2 Thomas L. RINEY b: 05 Oct 1811 KY, Washington Co. d: 18 Jun 1833 KY,
>> Washington Co.
>>
>> 2 Joseph RINEY b: 31 May 1813 KY, Washington Co. d: Aft. May 1868 unknown
>>
>> 2 Mary Ann "Matilda" RINEY b: 04 Sep 1815 KY, Washington Co. d: 03 Jan
>> 1862
>> KY, Washington Co.
>>
>> 2 Richard Pius RINEY b: 06 Dec 1817 KY, Washington Co. d: 1904 KY, La Rue
>> Co
>>
>>
>> 2 Dominic L. RINEY b: 08 Nov 1819 KY, Washington Co. d: 21 Mar 1842 KY,
>> Washington Co.
>>
>> 2 Edward G. RINEY b: 08 Feb 1822 KY, Washington Co. d: 30 Sep 1871 KY,
>> Washington Co.
>>
>> 2 [1] William Ray RINEY b: 04 Dec 1824 KY, Washington Co. d: Bef. 20 Mar
>> 1899 St. Joseph, KY, Daviess Co
>>
>> .. +America Jane LIVERS, #1W b: 26 Jun 1829 KY m: 04 Jan 1848 Bardstown,
>> KY
>> St. Joseph Church d: 28 Jan 1858 KY, Nelson Co. Father: Henry A. Livers
>> Mother: Mary Henrietta Heard
>>
>> *2nd Wife of [1] William Ray RINEY:
>>
>> .. +Harriet Frances O'BRYAN, #2W b: 27 Nov 1830 KY, Nelson Co. m: 01 Mar
>> 1859 Nelson Co., KY d: 19 Jul 1887 West Louisville, KY, Daviess Co
>> Father:
>> William O'Bryan Mother: Marie (Bivins) Beaven
>>
>> 2 Rosellar E. RINEY b: 27 Feb 1828 KY, Washington Co. d: 22 Aug 1909 KY,
>> Washington Co.
>>
>> 2 James A. RINEY b: 05 Apr 1830 KY, Washington Co. d: Aft. 1862 unknown
>>
>> 2 John Franklin RINEY b: 10 May 1831 KY, Washington Co. d: 14 Jul 1833
>> KY,
>> Washington Co.
>>
>> 2 Thomas Wilson RINEY b: 15 Jul 1833 KY, Washington Co. d: Unknown
>>
>> 2 Joseph Walter RINEY b: 31 May 1813 d: Aug 1898 KY
>>
>> .. +Ann Elizabeth CAMBRON b: Abt. 1836 m: 12 Apr 1836
>>
>>
>>
>> IN ADDITION THE BOOK SAYS, THERE WAS ANOTHER OLDER CLEMENT RINEY
>> ACCORDING
>> TO THE BOOK Book Riney book page 75
>>
>> The Clement Riney that appears on the Washington Co, KY tax list of 1792
>> must have been at least 21 yrs . He is probably the same Clement Riney
>> that
>> apperared on the rolls of the 1800 census of Washing Co, KY (2nd Census
>> of
>> the U.S.)
>>
>> This older "other" Clement Riney, was born before 1772 should not be
>> confused with the youger Clement Riney son of Thomas and Priscilla Riney,
>> .
>> The other Clement appears to have been the subject of a notorious 1793
>> Washington Co lawsuit in which he was accused by Joseph Alvey (brother in
>> law of Zachariah Riney) of engaging in an sodomy act. The Circuit court
>> acquitted Clment Riney of the charge, however, and Joseph Alvey, was
>> convicted of slander in a counter suit filed by Clement Riney. Source the
>> Riney book p. 75
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dottie Himes
>>
>> Lewisport, KY 42351
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> FAMILY=Father and Mother I love you! My Genealogy Surnames: Ahlers,
>> Moehring
>> Heim, Himes, Shroyer, Swadener / Brent, Burch, Clements, Gunnell, Hagan,
>> Hutchins, Porter /Hayden, Mulligan, Riney, Young, and many more. Can we
>> connect?
>>
>> -------Original Message-------
>>
>>
>>
>> From: SHIRLEY MOLLER
>>
>> Date: 07/18/06 16:10:26
>>
>> To: djhimes;
>>
>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: John Riney - Clement Riney marriages
>>
>>
>>
>> I did some quick looking at the 1860 Census for KY, Washington Co., and
>>
>> Clement Riney shows up 70 yrs of age, b in MD; the only other person
>> living
>>
>> in his home is a Thomas Riney, probably his son age 27. But that would
>> mean
>>
>> that his wife Elizabeth Ann Gates was deceased before 9 Jun 1869 census
>>
>> taking.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a Francis Gates family next door, a Francis Gates age 54 b in KY
>>
>> farmer living with a Joseph Corbet and his family.
>>
>>
>>
>> Shirley Middleton Moller
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "djhimes" <>
>>
>> To: <>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:16 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: John Riney - Clement Riney marriages
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Re Clement Riney and John Riney
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I have the following book and this is what I have found.
>>
>>> Clement Riney m. Elizabeth Ann Gates
>>
>>> John Riney m. Nancy Ann Hardestry
>>
>>> see below
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Book: Riney, Blandford, Mulligan and O'Daniel families of MD and KY by
>>
>>> Thomas David Riney
>>
>>> page 81
>>
>>> Paragraph 4
>>
>>> John Riney, son of Thomas Riney and Priscilla (?) (married Nancy* "Ann"
>>
>>> Hardesty) on Jan 12, 1812 in Washington Co, Ky .
>>
>>> * Nancy is usually a nickname for Ann
>>
>>> They are the parents of the granddaughter Elziabeth Riney, mentioned in
>>
>>> Priscillas WILL. John died young and his widow married Clement Knott Feb
>>
>>> 1814 (Source:Thompson 1997) Elizabeth was still single when Priscilla
>>
>>> wrote
>>
>>> her will on Dec. 16, 1831 but Elizabeth married Mark Smith on Feb. 28,
>>
>>> 1832,
>>
>>> prior to the death of Priscilla on Dec. 1. 1833
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Book: Riney, Blandford, Mulligan and O'Daniel families of MD and KY by
>>
>>> Thomas Clement Riney
>>
>>> page 82 Thomas Riney and Priscilla descendant chart
>>
>>> Son, Clement Riney b abt 1786 in MD d 7-12-1862 Washington Co, KY
>>
>>> Married Elizabeth Ann Gates b abt 1792 in ? died 12-1-1863 Washington
>>> Co,
>>
>>> KY
>>
>>> Married 10-16-1810 Washington Co, KY
>>
>>> 11 children
>>
>>>
>>
>>> So many people have stopped to help me, that I hope this helps clarify
>>
>>> these
>>
>>> marriages.
>>
>>> Always glad to help.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Dottie Porter Himes
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Dottie Himes
>>
>>> Lewisport, KY 42351
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> FAMILY=Father and Mother I love you! My Genealogy Surnames: Ahlers,
>>
>>> Moehring
>>
>>> Heim, Himes, Shroyer, Swadener / Brent, Burch, Clements, Gunnell, Hagan,
>>
>>> Hutchins, Porter /Hayden, Mulligan, Riney, Young, and many more. Can we
>>
>>> connect?
>>
>>> -------Original Message-------
>>
>>>
>>
>>> From:
>>
>>> Date: 07/17/06 20:31:09
>>
>>> To:
>>
>>> Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Re: John Riney - Jeremiah RINEY RANEY
>>
>>>
>>
>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Surnames: Riney, Knott, Hardesty, Hardisty
>>
>>> Classification: Query
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Message Board URL:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oEB.2ACE/2648.1.1
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Message Board Post:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> 'My' John Riney married Nancy Hardesty in Washington County Kentucky in
>>
>>> 1812
>>
>>> As to his ancestry, I have no information since I have not found a will
>>
>>> for
>>
>>> him. My ggg grandfather Clement married Ann Hardesty in September 1814
>>> in
>>
>>> Washington County. I believe Ann and Nancy to be the same person.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> This could be the John Riney Nancy married but that is supposition on my
>>
>>> part.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
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