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From: "Dobricky, John" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee, Confused Again
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:20:44 -0400


Hello. The idea that Phillip Tippett II (d. 1736) married a daughter of
John Hilton came from his deposition in 1711 that the farm "Gardiner's
Landing" was on the boundary of the farm "Bookford" as told him by his
"father-in-law," John Hilton.

I think the mistake came from forgetting that, in the early 18th
century, the term "father-in-law" was also used to mean (in today's
terminology) "step-father."

I think that the mother of Philip Tippett II (d. 1736) married (2) John
Hilton. If so, his mother was not Mary (Suttle) Tippett because she
married (2) Thomas Rabling I.

I have thought for a while now that all of the Tippetts living in SMC in
the early 18th century were not children of Phillip Tippett I (d. 1706).
In fact, the Estate documents of Phillip Tippett I don't list any
children.

There were a bunch of Tippetts living in Virginia--and at least a John
Tippett living in Maryland--in the 17th century. I can provide a list
of these if you would like.

Like I said, the early Tippetts have never been comprehensively
researched. John Dobricky



-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Linda Reno
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:03 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee, Confused Again

As you'll note, the will of John Hilton only names two sons. He gives
half of his estate to his wife, Jane and the other half to the boys. If
he'd had daughters, he wouldn't have precluded them in this way. The
administration accounts of John Hilton show Philip and Thomas Tippett as
two of the three "approvers" of the estate. This doesn't mean they
married his daughters or that they were, in fact, even related to him.
They could have been approvers because they owed him money. The three
could have been relatives of Jane, the widow.

Will of John Hilton, SMC, 11/26/1697-1/21/1705. Wife: Jane, Exec., 1/2
of estate. Sons: John and Francis, residue of estate. Wit: John
Sharly, Arabella Holt, and Christian Flowers. (Maryland Calendar of
Wills).

Admin. accts. of Mr. John Hilton, 3/1/1716; approvers were Samuel
Williams, Philip Tippett and Thomas Tippett (Skinner).

Linda Reno


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lee" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee, Confused Again


> Have you seen the Tippett history at
> http://www.jdtippit.com/html/history_fam.htm
>
> It names Phillip Tippett Jr.'s wife as Mary Hilton d/o John Hilton.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Reno" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee, Confused Again
>
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> There may have been two men named Philip Tippett living about the
same
>> time.
>> I don't think they were the same men and one was probably much older

>> than
>> the other.
>>
>> Elizabeth, a daughter of John Suttle, married ____Tippett by 1748.
Even
>> though the date that John Suttle made his will is missing, it was
prior
>> to
>> 1748 because his daughter, Mary (Suttle) Wathen was deceased by this
>> time.
>>
>> Will of John Suttle, SMC 9/19/--; 11/19/1751. Son: William, the land
>> where
>> I now live being pt. of "Suttle's Rest" and after his death to his
two
>> sons
>> William and John Baptist. If both William and John die without
issue,
>> then
>> to their two sisters Eleanor and Mary Ann Suttle. Wife: Personal
estate.
>> To: Son, John; daughter, Elizabeth Tippett; and heir of daughter Mary
>> Wathen
>> (deceased), each one shilling sterling. Exec: Son, William Suttle.
Wit:
>> Richard Millard, William Wathen, Charles Hellen. (Maryland Calendar
of
>> Wills).
>>
>> I would place the marriage of this Philip Tippett to Elizabeth Suttle
>> prior
>> to 1742, based on these records:
>>
>> "Suttle's Range", 370 ac., St. Clement's Hundred. Surveyed 3/26/1680
for
>> John Suttle. Possessor: John Suttle. 9/7/1742: 84 ac. to Philip
>> Tippett
>> from Thomas Tippett. 9/7/1742: 154 ac. to Philip Tippett from John
>> Suttle.
>> (SMC Rent Rolls, 1639-1771).
>>
>> Philip Tippett owned "Part of Suttle's Range" als. "Rest", 154 ac. in

>> 1753
>> and 1754; 1755-1758 he owned the same property but it was 74 ac. (SMC

>> Debt
>> Books).
>>
>> Notice that Philip Tippett received two parcels of the same property
on
>> the
>> same date--one from John Suttle and the other from Thomas Tippett.
This
>> could very well have been a marriage gift from both fathers. If so,
>> Philip
>> Tippett was marrying his first cousin as Thomas Tippett was a son of
>> Philip
>> Tippett and Mary Suttle (sister of John Suttle above).
>>
>> The other Philip Tippett (he's Philip Tippett III who married Jane
Lee
>> and
>> moved to NC), the one Dave's referring to, I am well satisfied, was
the
>> son
>> of Philip Tippett and Mary ____ and grandson of Philip Tippett (the
>> immigrant) and his wife, Mary Suttle. I am also well satisfied that
he's
>> the one who married Jane Lee, daughter of John Lee, Jr. (d. 1757) and
his
>> wife, Mary ____(d. 1761).
>>
>> After the death of Philip Lee, Jr. (father of Philip Tippett II), his
>> widow
>> Mary ___(mother of Philip Lee III) married next, John Fanning (d.
1761)
>> and
>> by him had a son named Josias Fanning who married Mary Lee (sister of

>> Jane
>> Lee, wife of Philip Tippett), widow of George Carpenter.
>>
>> Linda Reno
>>
>> Descendants of John Lee, Jr.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Generation No. 1
>>
>>
>> 1. JOHN2 LEE, JR. (JOHN1) was born Bef. 1709 in St. Mary's Co., MD,
and
>> died
>> 1757 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married MARY Bef. 1729 in St. Mary's
Co.,
>> MD.
>> She was born Bef. 1714, and died 1761 in St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>
>>
>> Children of JOHN LEE and MARY are:
>>
>> i. SUSANNA3 LEE, b. Bef. 1729, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1763,
Amherst
>> Co., VA; m. (1) JOHN BOWLING, Bef. 1752, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. 1714,
>> Zachiah, Charles Co., MD; d. 1758, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. (2) NOTLEY
>> MADDOX
>> III, 1758, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. June 25, 1730, Chaptico, St. Mary's

>> Co.,
>> MD; d. 1761, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. (3) JOHN CARTWRIGHT, Bet. 1761 -
>> 1762,
>> St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1742, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1773,
>> Amherst
>> Co., VA.
>>
>> ii. ELIZABETH LEE, b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 1782,
St.
>> Mary's Co., MD; m. JOHN GIBSON, JR., Bef. 1746, St. Mary's Co., MD;
b.
>> Bef.
>> 1722, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1782, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>
>> iii. THOMAS LEE, b. 1739, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1785, St. Mary's
Co.,
>> MD;
>> m. JANE, Bef. 1769, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1754, St. Mary's Co.,
MD;
>> d.
>> April 09, 1816, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>
>> iv. HENRIETTA LEE, b. Bef. 1742, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1763,
St.
>> Mary's Co., MD; m. HOBSON, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef.
1737.
>>
>> v. JANE LEE, b. Bef. 1742, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1770, NC; m.
>> PHILIP
>> TIPPETT III, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bet. 1728 - 1735, St.
>> Mary's
>> Co., MD; d. 1772, Halifax Co., NC.
>>
>> vi. MARY LEE, b. Bef. 1742, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1763; m. (1)
>> JOSIAS
>> FANNING, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1737, St. Mary's Co.,
MD;
>> d.
>> 1761, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. (2) GEORGE CARPENTER, Bet. 1761 - 1762,
St.
>> Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1742; d. Aft. 1762, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>
>> vii. SARAH LEE, b. Bef. 1742, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. December
28,
>> 1799,
>> St. Mary's Co., MD; m. NOTLEY TIPPETT, Bef. 1757, St. Mary's Co., MD;
b.
>> Bef. 1743, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1794, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>
>> viii. JOHN LEE III, b. April 1746, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1788,
Nelson
>> Co.,
>> KY; m. ELIZABETH THOMPSON, Bef. 1769, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. 1752,
St.
>> Mary's Co., MD; d. 1824, Nelson Co., KY.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dobricky, John" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee, Confused Again
>>
>>
>>> Hi. After a lot of discussion, Linda Reno and I feel that the
second
>>> wife of William Tippett (d. 1777) was probably Sarah Graves
(daughter of
>>> Thomas Graves (d. 1759)). This is largely because of circumstantial
>>> family and record associations.
>>>
>>> The idea that Sarah Lee married Notley Tippett (d. 1794) is also
largely
>>> based on circumstantial family and record associations that Linda
can
>>> detail.
>>>
>>> It is, almost certainly, incorrect that William Tippett (d. 1777 in
SMC)
>>> and Philip Tippett III (d. 1770 in North Carolina--probably the son
of
>>> Philip Tippett II (d. 1736 in SMC) and Mary ______ Lambert) were
>>> brothers.
>>>
>>> In fact, we have no evidence that the Philip Tippett (d. 1770 in
North
>>> Carolina) was the son of Philip Tippett II (d. 1736 in SMC) anyway.
>>>>From a close examination of the records in SMC, there were probably
two
>>> contemporaneous Philip Tippetts floating around SMC circa 1750--one
was
>>> probably the son of Philip Tippett II (d. 1736) and the other was,
in my
>>> opinion anyway--and there is a fair amount of circumstantial
evidence to
>>> support this, the son of Thomas Tippett I (b. circa 1695-1700 and
died
>>> after circa 1760--probably the son of Philip Tippett I (d. 1706) and
>>> Mary Suttle).
>>>
>>> One of the Philip Tippetts married (before 1751) Elizabeth Suttle
>>> (daughter of John Suttle II) and the other Philip Tippett married
>>> (before 1757) Jane Lee. The Philip Tippett who married Jane Lee and
>>> died in North Carolina circa 1770 obviously moved to North Carolina.
>>>
>>> The Tippett family has never been researched thoroughly and/or
>>> comprehensively--especially the descendants of Thomas Tippett I
(above).
>>> I believe Thomas Tippett I (above) was the father of my ancestor,
Thomas
>>> Tippett (II?--b. circa 1735-40 and died 1808--he married _______
Davis
>>> (daughter of Edward Davis "the elder" (d. in Charles County, MD,
between
>>> 1759 and 1764) and Ann Reeder).
>>>
>>> I have been working on the Tippetts this Summer and have a lot of
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Linda, please correct and/or elaborate. Thanks! John Dobricky.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of David Lee
>>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:14 PM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee, Confused Again
>>>
>>> I thought that Sarah Lee b. abt 1731 married William Tippett brother
of
>>> Phillip Tippett that married her sister Jane Lee b. 1733.
>>> I am sure I got that from SMC list.
>>> Dave
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Linda Reno" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> Charles G. Lee of St. Mary's County was born between 1776-1780. He
>>>> married Mary Ann Hutchins, January 4, 1811 in St. Mary's County,
>>>> therefore he does not match with the information from Mary
regarding a
>>>
>>>> Charles G. Lee, born 1811-1812. In 1850, there were two men named
>>>> Charles G. Lee, both from Maryland, one livingin Indiana and the
other
>>>
>>>> in Iowa. I won't even begin counting the number simply named
Charles
>>>> Lee. Unfortunately, a common name.
>>>>
>>>> John Dobricky's summary of the his and my line agrees with my
>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> Linda Reno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Dobricky, John" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:56 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi. I will await word from Linda because she knows more about the
>>>>> Lees of SMC. I am a Lee descendant too. Elizabeth Lee (daughter
of
>>>>> John Lee (d. 1757) and Mary ______) married John Gibson. Their
>>>>> daughter, Mary Gibson married James Neale (b. circa 1750 and d.
circa
>>>
>>>>> 1810 in SMC--son of James Neale (d. circa 1753) and Elizabeth
>>> Guibert)). Etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event, according to my notes, the Charles G. Lee you are
>>>>> talking about was the same as the individual who witnessed (in
SMC)
>>>>> the 1826 Will of Rebecca (Tippett) Hayden (daughter of John
Tippett
>>>>> (d. 1790 in SMC)--as well as Widow of Jonothan Hayden I (d. 1805
in
>>>>> SMC)). He married (in 1811 in SMC) Ann Hutchins--not Hutchinson.
>>>>> Note, however, that this Charles G. Lee was living in SMC as late
as
>>>>> 1826 when he witnessed the Will of Rebecca (Tippett) Hayden.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles G. Lee was, himself, the son of Thomas Lee and Jane
(almost
>>>>> certainly Jordan). When the Estate of Jane (Jordan?) Lee was
>>>>> administered in SMC on 11/15/1820, by her son, William T. Lee
(who,
>>>>> himself, married Elizabeth A. ("Attaway"?) Carpenter (daughter of
>>>>> George Carpenter and Catherine Maddox)), the heirs were:
>>>>> 1) her son, William T. Lee;
>>>>> 2) her son, Charles G. Lee (above);
>>>>> 3) her daughter, Margeret (Lee) Tippett (Widow of Walter
Tippett--she
>>>
>>>>> later married (in 1821 in SMC) William Smith);
>>>>> 4) her daughter, Elizabeth (Lee) Neale (wife of George W. Neale);
>>>>> 5) her grand-children, George Lee and James Henry Lee (children of
>>>>> Henry Lee--who was, probably, another child of Jane (Jordan?)
Lee).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Lee (who married Jane (Jordan?)) was, himself, the son of
John
>>>
>>>>> Lee II (d. 1757) and Mary ________. John Lee II (d. 1757 in SMC)
>>>>> married Mary _______ (who died, herself, in SMC in 1761) and they
>>>>> had, at least, the following children:
>>>>> 1) Elizabeth Lee (b. circa 1726 and d. before 1781 in SMC--she
>>>>> married (before circa 1750) John Gibson (b. bef. 1715));
>>>>> 2) Susanna Lee (b. circa 1728 in SMC and died after 1763--she
married
>>>
>>>>> (1--before 1745) John Bowling (d. 1758 in SMC--son of Edmund
Bowling
>>>>> I (d. 1756)), (2) Notley Maddox III (b. 6/25/1730 and d. 1761 in
SMC)
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> (3) John Cartwright (b. bef. 1742 and d. 1763));
>>>>> 3) Sarah Lee (b. circa 1731 and possibly died in 1799--Linda and I
>>>>> think she married Notley Tippett (d. 1794--son of Dennis Tippett
(d.
>>>>> 1773));
>>>>> 4) Jane Lee (b. 1735 in SMC and d. after 1770 in Halifax County,
>>>>> North Carolina--she married (1) Phillip Tippett III (b. circa 1728
in
>>>
>>>>> SMC and d. 1770 in North Carolina--thought to have been the son of
>>>>> Phillip Tippett II (d. 1736))and (2) Matthew Cartwright);
>>>>> 5) Mary Lee (b. circa 1737 and d. after 1763--she married (1)
Josiah
>>>>> Fanning (probably the son of John Fanning and Mary _______ Tippett
>>>>> (Widow of Phillip Tippett II (d. 1736)) and (2--circa 1761) George
>>>>> Carpenter);
>>>>> 6) Thomas Lee (born in December of 1739--he married (before 1769)
>>>>> Jane (Jordan?--b. circa 1745 and d. 1816 in SMC));
>>>>> 7) Henrietta Lee (b. bef. 1742 and d. after 1763 in SMC--she
married
>>>>> (before 1757) ______ Hobson);
>>>>> 8) John Lee III (b. in April of 1746 in SMC and d. 1788 in
>>>>> Kentucky--he married Elizabeth Thompson (daughter of Robert
Thompson
>>>>> (d. circa 1805 in SMC) and moved to Kentucky).
>>>>>
>>>>> The witnesses to the Will of John Lee II on 1/17/1757 in SMC
>>>>> (probated in SMC on 6/9/1757) were Thomas Coad (son of John Coad
II
>>>>> (d. 1718) and Ann Blackistone) and Francis Yates (b. circa 1710
and
>>>>> d. between
>>>>> 1/17/1763 and 12/13/1763 in Charles County, MD--son of Charles
Yates
>>>>> "Sr." (b. 4/29/1692) and Jane O'Bryan).
>>>>>
>>>>> The witnesses to the Will of Mary _____ Lee (Widow of John Lee II)
on
>>>>> 5/4/1761 in SMC (probated on 9/29/1761) were James Jordan (son of
>>>>> Justinian Jordan and Mary Coad--he married Ann Guibert (sister of
>>>>> Elizabeth Guibert who married James Neale (d. circa 1753)), Thomas
>>>>> McWilliams (who married Mary Hays), and Joshua Gibson (son of
William
>>>
>>>>> Gibson (brother of John Gibson who married Elizabeth Lee) and Ann
>>>>> Neale (sister of James Neale (d. 1753)).
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this is helpful. John Dobricky
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:
>>>>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of David Lee
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:34 PM
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sarah Lee that married Geo. Clark was d/o John Lee & Elizabeth
>>>>> Thompson.
>>>>> She had a brother Charles b. abt 1776 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He
>>>>> married Margaret Maraman Jun 5, 1799, Nelson Co., KY. Their son
Henry
>>>
>>>>> b. 1814 Nelson Co. m. Margaret Elizabeth Maraman Jul 2, 1834,
Hardin
>>> Co., KY.
>>>>> At one point in 1780s there were at least 4 John Lees in Nelson
Co.;
>>>>> all from MD;two had wives named Elizabeth.
>>>>> I have 14 Henry/Harry and 15 Charles 3 of those are Charles Henry
>>> Lee.
>>>>> None of mine seem to line up with dates & lines you gave.
>>>>> I belive Linda Reno is a Lee descendent, may haps she can help
you.
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <>
>>>>> To: <>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Russell - Lee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave you wrote:
>>>>> I would be interested in what you have on Russell family.
>>>>> James Lee Clark's mother Sarah Lee was sister of my 3 great grand
>>>>> father Henry Lee.
>>>>> I have George Clark m. Sarah Lee as s/o Joshua Clark & Mary
Thompson.
>>>
>>>>> Is this correct?
>>>>> Do you have anything on James A. Russell b. abt 1775, Somerset
Co.,
>>> MD?
>>>>> His son Joseph Twilley Russell came to Mississippi Co., MO. His 8
>>>>> children inter married with my kin.
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in you Lee branch -- we have a Henry in our branch
-
>>>>> he was the son of Charles G Lee(born bet 1812-1813 in Maryland) &
>>>>> Mariah Hutchinson
>>>>>
>>>>> The above Charles had a sister named Sarah who was married to
Wilson
>>>>> Swinford. I Know those were common names of that time but I had
to
>>>>> ask as I have hit a blank wall with the above Charles Gs father
who
>>>>> was also a Charles Lee married to a Violette Bourne.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alot of our Lees traveled to Indiana and on to Iowa - would any of
>>>>> this fit into your Lee family Thanks Mary
>>>>>
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