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From: "Roy or Leslie Walton" <>
Subject: [MDSTMARY] Raley's Md to Ky to North Missouri
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:29:19 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy or Leslie Walton" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Raley's Md to Ky to North Missouri


> John : Thank you for trying to help. I am going to ask some questions
> below that may help me determine the facts.
>
> 1. Do you have any problem with the lineage I wrote in regards to
> John Raley married Lydia Seale
> that this John is the father of
> Jane b 1734 (married John Stone)
> Gabriel b 1737 ( married Ann by bap of their son Michael 20 Dec 1766, St M
> Md and God parents John & Jane Stone)
> John Michael b 1740 (married Mary by 14 Jun 1778 when they Bap. their
> son
> Jonathon St M Md, Godparent Lydia Williams)
> ( all 3 of these children are named in a Three Lives Lease taken by John
> in
> 25 Dec 1741)
>
> This John b @ 1710, mar Lydia Seale prior to 1734, and left a Will St M Co
> Md written 31 Mar 1773, proved 26 Apr 1774, Will Book TA 1, pg 704.
>
> John Micheal b 1740 (son of John b 1710) moved to the Rolling fork
> settlement in Ky by 1790, is in 1791 tax rolls, and 1810 census, left Will
> writen 10 July 1823 , Wash Co Ky, The WILL Names the following.
> Wife Elizabeth
> Children;
> Henrietta Greenwell (widowed as will also mentions 4 orphan female
> children
> of Henrietta)
> Peter
> Lewis
> Henry
> Ben (Benedict born in 1788) who mar Kesiah Scott 2 Dec 1811 Wash Co Ky,
> and he died 1866 Marion Co Ky, and is buried
> with Kesiah in the Old Holy Name of Mary Cemetery, in Marion Co
> Ky).
> John
> Julia
> Bernard
>
> 2. What documentation do you know of that makes the John b 1710 the son of
> Michael ( the Michael that is one of the four brothers)?
>
> 3. Are you saying that the Obituary of Henry Sylvester Raley, states the
> he
> is the son of the John that died in 1765?
>
> 4. Is this Henry Sylvester the one that died in Perry Co Mo?
> 5. What is the text of the Henry Sylvester Obituary? What newspaper,
> inclucing the town it was published in and the date of
> Publication?
> 6. Why do some reseachers think that Henry Sylvester lived to be over 100
> yrs old? How do they know that this life span is all the
> same Henry Sylvester?
>
> 7. How do you know that Henry Sylvester was married three times?
>
> 8. What is the proof or circumstantial evidence that the John
> (mentioned in the 1765 Will of John Reily, St M Co Md Will Book
> TA1, pg 468) "d. before May of 1746 SMC"
> 9.You state that the "Michael Raley, who, himself died in 1754 in SMC" is
> the father of John born @ 1710.
> How do you know that this Michael is the father of John b 1710?
> How do you know that this Michael died in 1754?
>
> I hope you will reply on the above questions. As I stated I am very
> interested in straightening this line out, I work very hard on the
> genealogy. I am not the type of Family History Seeker that just takes
> for
> fact what is out there on the internet. I require facts or usually very
> good circumstantial evidence, or 3 peices of circumstatial eveidence.
> Thanks so much
> Leslie Walton
> of Missouri
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Dobricky" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Raley's Md to Ky to North Missouri
>
>
>> Hi. Sorry to have to correct you but I also have an interest in the
>> RALEY
>> family because my mother was born a RALEY.
>>
>> JOHN RALEY (b. 1709/10 and d. 1774--he married LYDIA SEALE) was NOT the
>> JOHN
>> RALEY who had the four brothers.
>>
>> The JOHN RALEY who was the brother of a) RICHARD RALEY (d. 1727), (b)
>> HENRY
>> RALEY (d. 1751-54), (c) MICHAEL RALEY (d. 1754)--and probably of (d) MARY
>> RALEY (who married (1) PHILIP COX II, (2) JOHN DEAN, and (3) WILLIAM
>> ABELL)--was the JOHN RALEY who died in SMC in 1765.
>>
>> Some researchers believe, based on the obituary of HENRY SYLVESTER RALEY
>> (b.
>> 1728 in SMC--son of JOHN RALEY (d. 1765 in SMC), that JOHN RALEY (d. 1765
>> in
>> SMC) married MARY JOY. I am not so sure of that.
>>
>> In any event, JOHN RALEY (b. before circa 1685 in SMC and d. 1765 in
>> SMC--son of MICHAEL RALEY (d. before May of 1714 in SMC)) had, at least,
>> the
>> following children:
>> 1) (my ancestor) JOHN RALEY (d. before May of 1746 in SMC);
>> 2) JANE RALEY (who married JOHN ABELL);
>> 3) HENRIETTA RALEY (who married THOMAS FORREST);
>> 4) HENRY SYLVESTER RALEY (who married three times).
>>
>> JOHN RALEY (b. 1709-10 and d. 1774 in SMC) was, I am almost certain, the
>> son
>> of MICHAEL RALEY (d. 1754 in SMC--one of the brothers mentioned earlier).
>>
>> Your mistake is an easy one to make as JOHN RALEY (b. 1709-10 and d. 1774
>> in
>> SMC) is mentioned as "JOHN RALEY of MICHAEL" in at least one SMC record.
>> However, the MICHAEL RALEY who is being referred to as having been the
>> father of JOHN RALEY (b. 1709-10 and d. 1774) is/was the MICHAEL RALEY
>> who,
>> himself, died in 1754 in SMC.
>>
>> This makes JOHN RALEY (b. 1709-10 and d. 1774--the one who married LYDIA
>> SEALE) the NEPHEW of JOHN RALEY (b. circa 1680 and d. 1765 in SMC--the
>> one
>> who had the brothers listed earlier).
>>
>> Hope that is clear as mud. John Dobricky
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/08, Roy or Leslie Walton <> wrote:
>>>
>>> What County in Maryland and what year span are you wondering about on
>>> Raley's? Also do you have any specific person or persons?
>>> I have been working on my Raley line for months and doing serious
>>> research,
>>> even traveled to Maryland so I could go to the Courthouse in St Marys Co
>>> for
>>> records, and also visited the Library at their historical society.
>>> I have proven through Land documents, Wills, Church records etc.
>>> John Raley born @ 1710 and married Lydia Seale John's Will St M Co Md
>>> dated in 1773.
>>> JOHN born 1710 had FOUR brothers (proved by their mention in the wills
>>> of
>>> Richard Raley written in 1727, and in the will of Henry Raley written
>>> 1754)
>>> These brothers were;
>>> Richard died by July 1727
>>> Henry died by end of 1754
>>> William still alive in 1754
>>> Michael still alive in 1754 ( I believe this man is Michael Sr,
>>> because
>>> Micleael Jr who was married to Grace Greenwell was deceased by end 8 Nov
>>> 1738 when his will was proved, and it is this Michael Jr who left his
>>> young
>>> child Joseph an orphan)
>>> Children that I have documented of John born 1710 are:
>>> 1. Jane born 1734, married John Stone.
>>> 2. Gabriel born 1737
>>> 3. John Michael born 1740
>>> There are others I am working on and checking but these three were
>>> definitely this John's children
>>>
>>> #3. John Michael Raley (son of Joh Raley and Lydia Seale) went to what
>>> was
>>> to be the Rolling Fork Settlement (Nelson, Wash., and later became in @
>>> 1832
>>> Marion Co Ky).
>>>
>>> John MichaelRaley, and Basil Raley, along with Clement and Ignatius
>>> Buckman, PRECEDED all others of the Catholic Settlers in the Rolling
>>> Fork
>>> Ky Settlement. By one to two years. ("the Centenary of Catholicity in
>>> Kentucky" by Benjamin Webb, Chapter 7).
>>>
>>> I believe that these four men were in fact a forward party for the first
>>> wave of Catholics that were coming to the area, that they were to
>>> perhaps
>>> build some shelter and pave the way for the others. Many of the Md
>>> Catholics
>>> came by water down the Ohio River.
>>>
>>> John Michael Raley died in 1823 his will written 10 July 1823 proved
>>> Sep
>>> 1823 or 24
>>> His Will Names his wife and children
>>> Wife: Elizabeth
>>> Children;
>>> 1. Henrietta Greenwell
>>> 2. Peter Raley
>>> 3. Lewis Raley
>>> 4. Henry Raley
>>> 5. Ben Raley (this is Benedict Raley who was born 1788 in St. Marys Co
>>> Md,
>>> died 11 Oct 1866 Marion Co Kentucky, he married Kesiah Scott (dau of
>>> John
>>> Scott and Chloe Riggs) Kesiah and Ben were married 2 Dec 1811).
>>> 6. John Raley
>>> 7. Julia Raley
>>> 8. Bernard Raley
>>> This will information is from the will in Wash Co Ky, also abstracted
>>> in
>>> "Washington Co Wills 1792 - 1853 Abstracts" by Faye Sea Sanders, Faye is
>>> now
>>> deceased but her neice still prints her books and sells them.
>>> I have the marriage information on the above children except Bernard.
>>> This
>>> information I obtained from Marriage records Wash Co Ky.
>>>
>>> One of the children of # 5 Bendict Raley is
>>> James Scott Raley born 20 Mar 1819 Wash Co Kentucky, he married
>>> Elizabeth
>>> Simms (Sims) abt 1844, he died Feb 1863 in Indian Township Monroe Co
>>> Missouri. James and Elizabeth and 5 small children moved to Monroe Co
>>> Missouri in 1854 by River, and it was during the time of a Great Flood
>>> (this
>>> is our own passed down family history). Other brothers of James that
>>> came to Monroe Co Mo and settling near James were his brothers Hiram J
>>> Raley, and Stephen B Raley.
>>>
>>> One of James Scott Raley's children was John Auston Raley changed to
>>> Reighley , who had a daughter Emma Grace Reighley that married Charlie
>>> Erastus Robinson in Audrain Co Mo 23 May 1897.
>>> These northern Mo Raley's had the spelling changed after the death of
>>> James
>>> Scott Raley by the time of the 1870 census. It appears that Elizabeth
>>> did
>>> not read or write, and neither did John Auston her son, who took over
>>> the
>>> role of eldest male of the house. So I believe that their name
>>> spelling
>>> change was done by either the person who was writing up the probated
>>> records
>>> or the guardianship papers on the minor children, I do have copies of
>>> these
>>> papers in my possesion.
>>> I have lots of documentation and anyone interested in this line can
>>> contact
>>> me. I am interested in helping to straighten out this line, many persons
>>> have put down that the father of the above mentioned Benedict Raley is a
>>> Joseph Raley, but the will of John Michael Raley, the census records,
>>> the
>>> church records 1790 to 1860 if studied closely definitely prove that the
>>> father of Benedict born 1788 St Marys Co Md is indeed John Michael
>>> Raley.
>>> Other confusions in this line have occurred because Henry Sylvester
>>> Raley
>>> ALSO had a son Benedict, but they left the Rolling Fork Settlement,
>>> and
>>> went to the Barrens, Perry Co Mo. and that Benedict eventually went to
>>> Texas
>>> where he lived out the rest of his life.
>>> Leslie Walton
>>> of Missouri
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Betty H. Garbers" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:16 AM
>>> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Harbin & Raley
>>>
>>>
>>> > Dear Linda,
>>> >
>>> > Sure wish I had you finding info for me. There never seems to be
>>> > anyone
>>> > that I have knowledge about that you are finding. My lines must have
>>> not
>>> > left a paper trail!Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Betty G.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Who is this then?
>>> >>
>>> >> 3/8/1827-9/18/1827: Sarah Clarke, guardian to Zachariah Clarke.
>>> >> (SMC
>>> >> Orphan Court Docket, 1803-1845).
>>> >>
>>> >> 3/8/1827-3/4/1828: Sarah Clarke, guardian to Henry Clarke. (SMC
>>> Orphan
>>> >> Court Docket, 1803-1845).
>>> >>
>>> >> 7/26/1827: Balance and distribution of the estate of William Clarke
>>> >> by
>>> >> Joshua Neale, Admin. Mother: Sarah Neale. Brothers: Cornelius,
>>> >> Charles,
>>> >> Raphael, Zachariah, and Henry Clarke. Half brother: John T. Neale.
>>> >>
>>> >> What first wife?
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm totally lost on this second part. Are we talking about the same
>>> >> thing?
>>> >>
>>> >> Linda
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Thomas Jennings" <>
>>> >> To: <>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:56 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Charles Payne & Monica Cissell
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> LInda
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have Sarah dead 1819.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A REGISTER OF BURIALS AT NEWTOWN, ST. MARY'S COUNTY
>>> >>> Feb. 19, 1819 Buried Sarah Neale, the lawful wife of Joshua Neale,
>>> >>> formally
>>> >>> the widow of Z. Clark, (maiden name Pain) by the Rev.Thomas Monely.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ii. SARAH MARY PAYNE, b. 1775, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1827, St.
>>> >>> Mary's
>>> >>> Co., MD; m. (1) ZACHARIAH CLARKE, Bet. 1790 - 1794, St. Mary's Co.,
>>> MD;
>>> >>> b.
>>> >>> Bet. 1766 - 1774, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bet. 1810 - 1815, St.
>>> >>> Mary's
>>> >>> Co.,
>>> >>> MD; m. (2) JOSHUA NEALE, 28 Mar 1815, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef.
>>> 1775,
>>> >>> St.
>>> >>> Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1827, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>> >>> *************
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Children of JOHN PAYNE and BINNIE STEWART are:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ii. PHILIP5 PAYNE, b. Bef. 1766, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1810.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> He would be son of 1st wife if He married (2) BINNIE STEWART 11 Dec
>>> 1769
>>> >>> i
>>> >>> *************
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Frances Payne b. September 12, 1772
>>> >>>
>>> >>> is listed in St. Andrews as son of Leonard Payne & Teresia Payne.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tom Jennings
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> .
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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