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From: "SHIRLEY MOLLER" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Williamson Bruce and the Williamson clan
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:41:29 -0700
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Hi John,
I had this in my data on Elizabeth Guibert, have you seen it?

Maryland Marriages, 1634-1777, Maryland Marriages, 1634-1777, Page 100
Jones, Thomas, son of Capt. Thomas Jones of Liverpool,
15 Oct 1751, Elizabeth Guibert, dau. of Joshua Guibert of St. M. Co.
3-SO-4

One more question...
this Dr. Wm Muir was he by any chance from the Muirs of Dorchester Co., MD?

Thanks,
Shirley Middleton




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From: "John Dobricky" <>
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Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Williamson Bruce and the Williamson clan


Hi. Sorry for the belated response. Sarah Muir was Sarah (Neale)
Muir--daughter of James Neale (d. circa 1750--53) and Elizabeth
Guibert. She was the first wife of Dr. William Muir. She died and
his second wife was Elizabeth Locke.

Sarah (Bagley?) Guibert Bruce Yates seems to have been an interesting
person. I have a lot of information about her--of course, not here.
I can send it if you would like.

Anyway, she did sell a slave to her grandson, James Neale (b. circa
1750 and d. in SMC circa 1810-11) several years before her death.
And, you are correct, she did not mention him in her Will. John D.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:44 PM, SY<> wrote:
> Did you find the grandchildren Sarah Muir or Sarah Locke and determine
> who their parents were? I see that online Sarah is listed as the
> mother of a Elizabeth and Ann Guibert. What I'm not seeing is any
> documents, references, etc that proves that the Ann Jordan, wife of
> James Jordan in her will is maiden name Guibert.
>
> Isn't it strange if Sarah was the mother of Elizabeth Guibert who
> married James Neale that neither Elizabeth nor any of the Neale
> children were mentioned in her will?
>
> I must be missing something to tie this all together.
>
> On Jul 17, 2009, at 11:50 AM, John Dobricky wrote:
>
>> Hi again. Sarah Gody married, according to other records, Richard
>> Mastin. There was also a Sarah Brooks/Brooke (daughter of John
>> Brookes/Brooke) who married Joseph Timms ("Timeus") of Charles County,
>> MD. I don't have the records with me here but they are all out there.
>>
>> Since Sarah (Bagley) Guibert Bruce Yates (she died in Charles County,
>> MD, in 1785 although her Will was probated in St. Mary's County)is an
>> ancestress of mine, I have been particularly interested in her. I am
>> not sure what the connection between Sarah (Bagley?) Guibert Bruce
>> Yates and the daughters of Matthew Gody were. It is worth noting that
>> Sarah (Gody?) Mastin was the mother of the Rose Mastin who witnessed
>> the Will of Sarah (Bagley?) Guibert Bruce Yates.
>>
>> There was also a connection to the Wilson/Bailey family of Charles and
>> St. Mary's Counties. It is too complicated to go into right now. I
>> have extensive files at home if you would like more information. John
>> D.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, SY<> wrote:
>>> Thank you, John. Here is what I'm noticing.
>>>
>>> Robert Yates in his 1756 will says "That Sarah and Cloe Goady, minor
>>> children under my care, be carried to court to have guardians
>>> appointed and their estate paid off.'
>>>
>>> Payment from his estate 1759: Sarah & Chloe Godys paid to their
>>> guardian Sarah Yates
>>>
>>> Sarah and Chloe Gody were children of Matthew Gody that died in 1753.
>>> Payments were made to Robert Yates and Richard Mastin out of his
>>> estate.
>>>
>>> Richard Mastin died in 1754. His wife was Sarah born 1713/15. Their
>>> daughter Rose was born 1750 and witnessed the will of Sarah Yates.
>>>
>>> William "Cody" died in 1743. His administrator was Matthew Gody and
>>> representatives were Sarah Cody, Samuel Cody and John Cody (son of
>>> Henry Cody who died in 1738). Richard Mastin received payment from
>>> the estate.
>>>
>>> William was married to Margaret Brooks, daughter of John Brooks (see
>>> his 1712 will). In 1749 the NOK of John Brooks is Samuel and Matthew
>>> Gody.
>>>
>>> It seems possible that the Sarah that married Richard Mastin was
>>> Sarah
>>> Gody, daughter of William.
>>>
>>> So that Sarah Yates taking in the orphaned Gody children of Matthew
>>> Gody and then having Rose Mastin witness her will when Rose's Mother
>>> was possibly a Gody makes me wonder.
>>>
>>> I'm not really finding any solid records of the grandchildren of
>>> Sarah
>>> Yates - John and William Bruce or Sarah Muir or Sarah Locke that is
>>> helping.
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:39 AM, John Dobricky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi. If you search the Archives of this list, you will find some
>>>> discussions of this family. My understanding (as per Linda Reno who
>>>> can, I'm sure, provide more information) is that John Bruce (d.
>>>> 1737)
>>>> had the following wives:
>>>> 1) Judith (Townley) Warren;
>>>> 2) ________ Briscoe;
>>>> 3) Sarah (Bagley?) Guibert (possible daughter of Ralph Bagley I--as
>>>> well as Widow of Thomas Guibert (d. 1728-29 in SMC).
>>>>
>>>> After the death of John Bruce (d. 1737), Sarah (Bagley?) Guibert
>>>> Bruce
>>>> married (3) Robert Yates (d. 1756 in Charles County, MD).
>>>>
>>>> I don't think John Bruce (d. 1737) was ever married to a Williamson.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Guibert (d. 1729--son of Joshua Guibert I (d. 1713) and his
>>>> first wife, Elizabeth Barber) and Sarah (Bagley?) are my ancestors
>>>> through their daughter, Elizabeth Guibert whose first husband was
>>>> James Neale (d. circa 1750--son of Roswell Neale and (his second
>>>> wife)
>>>> Elizabeth Blackistone)).
>>>>
>>>> See ya' John Dobricky
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:01 AM, SY<> wrote:
>>>>> I am trying to find all the parts of the family Williamson. The
>>>>> earliest record I have is the probate in 1694 where Edward Barber
>>>>> was
>>>>> godfather to 2 daughters named Mary and Martha of Samuel
>>>>> Williamson.
>>>>> I can't find any more information on what happened to these girls.
>>>>>
>>>>> I then have Eleanor Williamson who married (as his second wife)
>>>>> Capt
>>>>> John Briscoe born circa 1678.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Bruce died in 1737. It appears he married first Judith
>>>>> Townley
>>>>> and then Sarah Williamson. I read there was evidence that Townley
>>>>> Bruce from his first marriage and Williamson Bruce from his second
>>>>> marriage were l/2 brothers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before 1741, guardianship of Williamson Bruce was given to his
>>>>> "uncle"
>>>>> John Briscoe. Although Eleanor Williamson was John's step-mother,
>>>>> this indicates that perhaps Eleanor and Sarah were sisters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Capt John Briscoe dies in 1741 and his wife the former Mary Hanson
>>>>> goes to court and says in 1741 she doesn't want to be responsible
>>>>> for
>>>>> Williamson or for his estate.
>>>>>
>>>>> June 1742: Williamson Bruce, formerly under the guardianship of Mr.
>>>>> John Briscoe, late of Charles County, dec'd, on his motion to this
>>>>> Court, is admitted to choose his guardian, and accordingly makes
>>>>> choice of Mr. Samuel Briscoe, who in Court here accepts thereof,
>>>>> and
>>>>> is appointed accordingly. (Charles County Court Records,
>>>>> 1741-1743).
>>>>>
>>>>> So Williamson Bruce ends up with his other Uncle Samuel Williamson
>>>>> Briscoe, l/2 brother to Capt John.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any information on Sarah? Did she remarry? Did she
>>>>> have a probate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any information on Mary and Martha? Do you think Mary and Martha
>>>>> are
>>>>> aka Eleanor and Sarah? Any indication who the mother(s) of these
>>>>> Williamson girls could have been?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so very much,
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
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