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From: "Linda Reno" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Clement Greenwell-thanks Linda Reno
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:31:46 -0400
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Hi Dottie,

All I know at this point is that the wife of John Basil Greenwell was named
Eleanor. She wasn't Eleanor Gough. As I recall, there was much discussion
on the list, but what I saved are two notes to Mike Gough.

My note to Mike Gough, 9/5/2004:

Why do you think that Eleanor Gough is the same Eleanor who married John
Clarke, John Basil Greenwell, and James Wheatley?

Both the wills of James Gough and Priscilla Heard call their daughter
Eleanor Greenwell.

Eleanor ____who married three times was married to James Wheatley sometime
in 1762 or before. Their son, William Wheatley was baptized at St. Andrew's
on January 8, 1763. This is before both of the Gough wills above. It just
doesn't add up.

Eleanor (nee Gough) was still being called Elizabeth Greenwell in her
mother's administration accounts in 1770:

Admin. accts. of Priscilla Gough 8/15/1770; sureties were Bennet Raley and
John Fenwick; legatee was Eleanor Greenwell (dau.); residue to: Elizabeth
Jenkins, Mary Rhodes, James Gough, Ignatius Gough, and Susanna Dante; Exec.,
Mr. James Gough (Skinner).

My additional note to Mike Gough, 9/6/2004:

In looking again at Priscilla Gough's administration accounts, I noticed
this.

8/15/1770: Admin. accts. of Priscilla Gough, SMC. Received from: Stephen
Gough due from estate of James Gough. Payments to: James Pike, Zachariah
Forrest, Owen Allen. Legatees: Stephen Gough, Ignatius Gough, William
Jenkins, James Greenwell, accountant. Exec.: James Gough. (Admin. accts.
of the Prerogative Court of Maryland, Libers, 59-66, 1768-1771 by V. L.
Skinner, Jr.). NOTE: This record is not on CD #206.

This last account has just killed two birds (or more) with one stone.
Elizabeth Gough, daughter of James and Priscilla, was married to WILLIAM
Jenkins, not John Jenkins (per Donnelly). Eleanor Gough, daughter of James
and Priscilla, married JAMES Greenwell. As was the norm, the sons-in-law
have been paid their wives' share of Priscilla's estate.

So, you're right, Eleanor Gough married James Greenwell. I have no parents
for this James Greenwell.

Below is what I have for John Basil Greenwell, son of John Greenwell and
Catherine Wiseman.

Linda Reno

Descendants of John Basil Greenwell


Generation No. 1

1. JOHN BASIL4 GREENWELL (JOHN3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born Bef. 1728 in St.
Mary's Co., MD, and died 1761 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married ELEANOR
Bef. 1755 in St. Mary's Co., MD. She was born Bef. 1728, and died Aft. 1768
in St. Mary's Co., MD.

Children of JOHN GREENWELL and ELEANOR are:
2.i.JOSHUA LEONARD5 GREENWELL, b. 1756, St. Mary's Co., MD; d.
1833, Nelson Co., KY.
ii.JAMES GREENWELL, b. 1761, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1764.


Generation No. 2

2. JOSHUA LEONARD5 GREENWELL (JOHN BASIL4, JOHN3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born
1756 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died 1833 in Nelson Co., KY. He married (1)
ELIZABETH NEWTON 31 Jan 1774 in St. Fr. Xav. RCC, Compton, St. Mary's Co.,
MD, daughter of THOMAS NEWTON and SUSANNA HOWARD. She was born Bet. 1756 -
1759 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Bef. 1787. He married (2) ELEANOR
HOLTON Bef. 1787 in St. Mary's Co., MD, daughter of ROBERT HOLTON and
PRISCILLA MILES. She was born Bef. 1770 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died
Aft. 1800 in Nelson Co., KY.

Child of JOSHUA GREENWELL and ELIZABETH NEWTON is:
i.MARY6 GREENWELL, b. Bef. 1787, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft.
1791.


Children of JOSHUA GREENWELL and ELEANOR HOLTON are:
ii.JULIANNA6 GREENWELL, b. 1788, St. Mary's Co., MD.
iii.SAMUEL GREENWELL, b. 1785, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 28 Feb
1856, Nelson Co., KY; m. (1) TERESA BOWLES, 21 Jun 1809, Nelson Co., KY; b.
Bef. 1794; d. 14 May 1836, Nelson Co., KY; m. (2) SARAH ANN CLEMENTS, 03 Apr
1837, Nelson Co., KY; b. 1803; d. 05 Mar 1862, Nelson Co., KY.
iv.MARY "PATTY" GREENWELL, b. Bef. 1795, St. Mary's Co., MD; d.
Aft. 1830, Nelson Co., KY; m. PHILIP BOONE, 16 Jan 1810, Nelson Co., KY; b.
Bef. 1790; d. Aft. 1810, Nelson Co., KY.
v.IGNATIUS GREENWELL, b. Bef. 1797; d. Aft. 1830, Nelson Co.,
KY; m. MARY RAPOUR, 05 Jun 1817, Nelson Co., KY; b. Bef. 1802; d. Aft. 1817,
Nelson Co., KY.
vi.NANCY GREENWELL, b. Bef. 1799; d. Aft. 1830, Nelson Co., KY;
m. JOHN H. BURCH, 19 Dec 1814, Nelson Co., KY; b. Bef. 1794; d. Aft. 1814,
Nelson Co., KY.
vii.CATHERINE GREENWELL, b. 22 Oct 1800; d. 14 Jun 1882; m. JOHN
BOONE, 02 Oct 1820, Nelson Co., KY; b. Bef. 1800.
viii.ROBERT GREENWELL, b. Bef. 1802; d. Aft. 1830, Nelson Co.,
KY.

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
On Behalf Of Dottie Himes
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:51 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Clement Greenwell-thanks Linda Reno

Attention Linda Reno

Thank you for your email on Clement Greenwell.
I know everyone on this list makes a conscious effort to report and get the
lineage information right, but it is also easy to get something mixed up, or

with the wrong family especially with so many James and John Greenwells. I

guess I have done that too, not intentionally, as I really try to make sure
what I post is correct, but WE all can have days when we get things wrong.
We all understand.

I have been following along, and have been trying to get my Greenwell
relatives correct as they are related to my Porter and Burch family and also

to the Hagans. I look forward when you feel that you have the Greenwell
lineages correct, will you please share with all of us as right now, I am
totally confused.

I recently have been told that I had some errors and I was reprimanded (not
by you) for having Eleanor Gough lineage wrong. I must have been out of
town, when there was the discussion on Eleanor Gough and her husband and
family. At one time I had received or perhaps misunderstood that John Basil

Greenwell was the husband of Eleanor Gough. I have removed Eleanor Gough
from John Basil Greenwell. Do you know the wife of John Basil Greenwell
and his family, and do you know the husband of Eleanor Gough, and their
family. I am not sure but I think she may have married James Greenwell
instead?? but right now I am confused with all the Greenwell discussions.

So I look forward to knowing the correction lineage of John Basil Greenwell,

his wife, and children, and his parents and info on Eleanor Gough and
possibly James Greenwell, not sure?

Thanks to everyone on this list, as I really think we ALL want to work
together to help each other. Sometimes when I try to help as everyone has
helped me, I find that I am not a help and recently have been told I am
wrong but not so nicely, even when I have an "About date" which is an
estimation on my part regarding the date. (again not by you Linda) I
definitely want to be advised when I have anything wrong as it could send
someone down the wrong lineage line if it is not corrected.

Linda, we thank you for all your help with this list and to everyone else
too.

Dottie Porter Himes

Dottie (Porter) Himes
Lewisport, KY 42351


Family Names: Himes, Shroyer, Ahlers etc. =Johns family
Porter, Clements, Mulligan, Young etc = Dotties family



----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Reno" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Clement GREENWELL


> Before we get to the children of Clement and Jane, I need to correct the
> family of James Greenwell and Elizabeth Wheatley. What I sent was
> incorrect
> and I should have paid more attention to what Tom Jennings posted and what

> I
> had in my own file.
>
> As you'll note, the posting by Tom states that both James Greenwell and
> William Greenwell didn't live in Maryland:
>
> ST. MARY'S COUNTY COURT (Equity Papers) Accession No.: 19,731-19-1/2 ,MSA.
> No.: C 1591-19 ,Location: 1/57/9/40,JH1 p197- 230 (My abstract) Francis
> Thompson vs. John Dyer, Elizabeth Dyer, John Walker, Henrietta Walker,
> James
> Greenwell, Wm. Greenwell,Bennett Greenwell, and Stephen Adams, Ann Adams.
> 7/29/1818--Francis Thompson filed a bill of complaint as a creditor of
> Clement Greenwell, dec'd, who departed this life abt. Feb. 1, 1814
> intestate, leaving as his heirs: Elizabeth Dyer, wife of John Dyer, *James
> Greenwell of Clement, Henrietta Walker,wife of John Walker; William
> Greenwell, Ann Adams, wife of Stephen Adams; and Bennett Greenwell,* and
> personal estate is not sufficient to pay Clement's debts, and requests
> that
> a lot in Leonardtown that Clement purchased from John T. Mason, Sr. of
> Wash.
> Co., but paid only $60 of the purchase money, Mason refused to execute a
> deed. Francis Thompson requests sale of lot to pay debts. Heirs appear in
> court and admit allegations are true. James Greenwell of Clement and
> William
> Greenwell live out of state and court orders a publication of sale be made
> in City of Wash.D.C.
>
> In 1820, living in St. Landry Parish, LA is James Greenwell. He's living
> next door to Raphael Smith, born 1770 in St. Mary's County. In the
> household was 1M under 10; 1M 26-45; 1F under 10; 1F 16-26; 4 slaves.
>
> Also in 1820, living in Crawford Co., IL is William Greenwell. The
> listing
> includes: 2M under 10; 1M over 45; 2F under 10; 1F 26-45; 1 slave.
>
> I can only conclude that these are the sons of Clement Greenwell.
>
> The children I listed under James Greenwell and Elizabeth Wheatley should
> be
> removed. At this point, I don't have parents for them and don't know that
> they were siblings.
>
> They were:
>
> i. MARY A.7 GREENWELL, b. Bet. 1802 - 1804, St. Mary's Co., MD;
> d. Aft. 1827; m. IGNATIUS CULLISON, 16 Jan 1827, St. Mary's Co., MD; b.
> Bet.
> 1800 - 1802, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1827.
> ii. SYLVESTER GREENWELL, b. 1805, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Mar
> 1850, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. MARIA GODDARD, 05 Apr 1826, St. Mary's Co.,
> MD;
> b. 1810, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 1840, St. Mary's Co., MD.
> iii. ANN MARIA GREENWELL, b. Bet. 1810 - 1820, St. Mary's Co.,
> MD; d. Bet. 1839 - 1847, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. THOMAS RANSALL RIDGELL, 13
> Dec 1835, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. 1810, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 12 Aug 1888,
> St. Mary's Co., MD.
>
> My apologies.
>
> Linda Reno
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of Jerry L. Clark
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:58 AM
> To:
> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Clement GREENWELL
>
> Linda,
>
> Can you share children of Clement GREENWELL and Jane ? and who they
> married.
> Also do we have some documentation other than what Tom Jennings shared?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of Linda Reno
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:52 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] James GREENWELL
>
> Jerry,
>
> Report follows. This James Greenwell was the son of Clement Greenwell and
> Jane Townbarr (don't know where that surname came from and don't think
> it's
> right--she may have been Jane Joy).
>
> Linda Reno
>
> Descendants of James Greenwell
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. JAMES6 GREENWELL (CLEMENT5, JAMES4, JAMES3, JAMES2, JOHN1) was born
> 1775 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Aft. 1834. He married ELIZABETH
> WHEATLEY 14 May 1801 in Our Lady RCC, Medley's Neck, St. Mary's Co., MD,
> daughter of JAMES WHEATLEY and HENRIETTA NORRIS. She was born 1772 in St.
> Mary's Co., MD, and died Aft. 1820.
>
> Children of JAMES GREENWELL and ELIZABETH WHEATLEY are:
> i. MARY A.7 GREENWELL, b. Bet. 1802 - 1804, St. Mary's Co., MD;
> d. Aft. 1827; m. IGNATIUS CULLISON, 16 Jan 1827, St. Mary's Co., MD; b.
> Bet.
> 1800 - 1802, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1827.
> ii. SYLVESTER GREENWELL, b. 1805, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Mar
> 1850, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. MARIA GODDARD, 05 Apr 1826, St. Mary's Co.,
> MD;
> b. 1810, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 1840, St. Mary's Co., MD.
> iii. ANN MARIA GREENWELL, b. Bet. 1810 - 1820, St. Mary's Co.,
> MD; d. Bet. 1839 - 1847, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. THOMAS RANSALL RIDGELL, 13
> Dec 1835, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. 1810, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 12 Aug 1888,
> St. Mary's Co., MD.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of Jerry L. Clark
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:17 AM
> To:
> Subject: [MDSTMARY] James GREENWELL
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> I saw this on Rootsweb World Family TREE. To My knowledge I have not heard
> anyone provide proof who James GREENWELL born 15 Jan 1761 St. Mary's, St.
> Mary's, Maryland married or if he had children.
>
> Is their any marriages of any James GREENWELL to and Elizabeth WHEATLEY
> with
> this marriage date? 14 MAY 1801
>
>
> James GREENWELL
>
>
>
> Father: John Basil GREENWELL
> Mother: Eleanor
>
>
> Marriage 1 Elizabeth WHEATLEY
>
> * Married: 14 MAY 1801
>
>
> Is there a Nelson County, KY marriage with this Marriage date?
>
>
> I received today an E-mail from a Margaret HULL
>
> Margaret Hull []
>
>
> She claims to be a direct descendant of James GREENWELL born 15 Jan 1761
> St.
> Mary's, St. Mary's, Maryland. I know he went to Kentucky but have no proof
> of his lineage.
>
> Has anyone found proof of his lineage?
>
>
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