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From: "Linda Reno" <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:07:38 -0400
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Agree.

My note to the list, 2/21/2005:

I believe that I picked up Ann's maiden name as Wheatley in an old issue of
"The Generator" (published by the St. Mary's Co. Genealogy Society). I
couldn't swear she was a Wheatley, but I don't think she was a Jenkins.

Two of the witnesses to her will were Joseph Jenkins and John Jenkins.
These guys were the sons of Joseph Jenkins (d. 1774) and his wife, Mary
(widow of William Combs). Both Joseph and Mary Jenkins died leaving wills
and neither mentioned a daughter named Ann Norris or any grandchildren that
would tie in to the children of John Norris and Ann (Wheatley).

John Wheatley, Jr. (married first Winifred Horn) and his second wife,
Elizabeth Nottingham did have a daughter named Ann of the right age to have
been the wife of John Norris, Jr., but I don't see anything under my notes
that proves she was a Wheatley either.

Another mystery!

Linda Reno

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
On Behalf Of Jackie King
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:23 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley

Would these be the wills you are referring to?

I also show Ann as a Wheatley, daughter of John Wheatley and Elizabeth
Nottingham, but sure couldn't prove it.


MARYLAND PREROGATIVE COURT ABSTRACTS, 1744-1750, Libers 21-28, Skinner,
p.119,
John Norriss 26.52 A SM L123.8.7 L144.18.10 May 2 1749
Sureties: Mark Norriss, Luke Heard.
Received from: Maj. Abram Barnes, James Thompson.
Payments to: Maj. Abram Barnes, Capt. Robert Chesley, Peter Peek, James
Heard, John Norriss, James Thompson, Stout. Edwards.
Distribution to: widow (unnamed), 1/3)- Residue to (orphans): Thomas
Norriss (aged 20), John Norriss (aged 19), Susanna Norriss (aged 15),
William Norriss (aged 14), Matthew Norriss (aged 11), Monica Norriss (aged
8), Clement Norriss (aged 6), Stephen Norriss (aged 4), John Baptis
Norriss (newborn).
Administratrix: Anne Norriss.



MORRIS, ANN, St. Mary's Co. 27 Nov, 1764
10 Jun, 1766
To son Thomas Norriss, cow.
To son John Norriss, 1 sh.
To son William Norriss, 1 sh.
To son Matthew Norriss, gun and shoemakers tools.
To son Clement Norriss, horse.
To son Stephen Norriss, first child born to Negro Kene (Hene?)
that lives to be 3 years old, furniture.
To son John Baptist Norriss, Negro Kene and furniture.
To son Stephen Morris, mare.
To dau. Susannah Gough, 1/2 of my wearing apparel.
To dau. Monica Stone, the other half of wearing apparel,
saddle and bridle. Remaining part of estate to be divided betwixt
my 4 youngest sons, Matthew, Clement, Stephen and
John Baptist Norriss.
Sons Matthew and Clement Norriss, exs.
Wits Joseph Jenkins, John Jenkins, 34. 101

I got the Ann Norris will from John Wilkinson so it really needs to be
checked - and if I am counting right - I think I count an extra kid in it.

Don Drury put together a bit of a discussion on this family some time
ago - it can be found at -
http://files.usgwarchives.org/md/stmarys/history/family/wheatly.txt

I don't know if his thoughts on it have changed any.

Cheers,

Jackie


On 10/7/2010 4:04 PM, Linda Reno wrote:
> Does your report name the 9 children you referred to?
>
> Linda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of David Lee
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:34 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley
>
> No it was mentioned in the NORRIS NEXUS news letter and on the web site
> Norris Families of America that is no longer out there.
> I printed off a 70 page report& that's all I have.
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Reno"<>
> To:<>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley
>
>
>> I don't see the will you refer to. Do you have a transcript?
>>
>> Linda Reno
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
[mailto:]
>> On Behalf Of David Lee
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:15 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley
>>
>> I have a note that I made in 1999& never followed up that Ann Norris,
>> widow
>>
>> of John Norris, who left a will in St. Mary's Co. dated 17 Nov 1764-
>> probated in 1766 was probably Ann Wheatley. Is this the Ann you have b.
>> bef
>> 1713? My note has abt 1697.
>> She named 9 children but had 2 named John with 1 in parenthesis, do you
>> have
>>
>> anything on this?
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Linda Reno"<>
>> To:<>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley
>>
>>
>>> No, his son married her. This is what I have.
>>>
>>> Descendants of Francis Wheatley
>>>
>>>
>>> Generation No. 1
>>>
>>> 1. FRANCIS3 WHEATLEY (JOHN2, JOHN1) was born Bef. 1716 in St. Mary's
>>> Co.,
>>> MD, and died 1774 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married ANN Bef. 1738 in
St.
>>> Mary's Co., MD. She was born Bef. 1723, and died Bef. 1772 in St.
Mary's
>>> Co., MD.
>>>
>>> Children of FRANCIS WHEATLEY and ANN are:
>>> i. ANN4 WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1739, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft.
>>> 1772; m. EDWARD PEAKE, Bef. 1754, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1734, St.
>>> Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1771.
>>> ii. IGNATIUS WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1744, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef.
>>> 14 Feb 1775, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. HENRIETTA BAILEY?, Bef. 1764, St.
>>> Mary's
>>> Co., MD; b. Bef. 1749, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1808, Washington,
>>> D.C..
>>> iii. FRANCIS WHEATLEY, JR., b. Bef. 1745, St. Mary's Co., MD; d.
>>> Aft. 1775; m. ANASTASIA CISSELL, 17 Jun 1771, St. Fr. Xav. RCC, Compton,
>>> St.
>>> Mary's Co., MD; b. 1745, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1775.
>>> iv. WINIFRED WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1750, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef.
>>> 1790, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. JOHN DELAHAY, Bef. 1765, St. Mary's Co.,
MD;
>>> b.
>>> Bef. 1745; d. Bef. 1790, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> [mailto:]
>>> On Behalf Of Thomas Jennings
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:53 AM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley
>>>
>>> LInda,
>>>
>>> Is Francis Wheatley died 1775 the same man who wed Anastasia Cissell
June
>>> 17, 1771 ?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Linda Reno<>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Below is what I have.
>>>>
>>>> Linda Reno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Descendants of John Wheatley, Jr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Generation No. 1
>>>>
>>>> 1. JOHN2 WHEATLEY, JR. (JOHN1) was born Bef. 1659 in St. Mary's Co.,
>>>> MD,
>>>> and died 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD. He married (1) WINIFRED HORN Bet.
>>>> 1682
>>>> - 1685 in St. Mary's Co., MD, daughter of EDWARD HORN and WINIFRED.
She
>>>> was
>>>> born Bef. 1666 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Bet. 1694 - 1695 in St.
>>>> Mary's Co., MD. He married (2) ELIZABETH NOTTINGHAM Bef. 1706 in St.
>>>> Mary's
>>>> Co., MD, daughter of THOMAS NOTTINGHAM. She was born Bef. 1678, and
>>>> died
>>>> Aft. 1718 in St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>>
>>>> Children of JOHN WHEATLEY and WINIFRED HORN are:
>>>> i. JAMES3 WHEATLEY, b. 1688, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef.
16
>>> Nov
>>>> 1720, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ELIZABETH COOPER?, Bef. 1708, St. Mary's
>>>> Co.,
>>>> MD; b. Bef. 1693, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>> ii. WINIFRED WHEATLEY, b. 1692, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef.
>>>> 01
>>>> Oct 1765, St. Mary's Hundred, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ROBERT ROSON, Bef.
>>>> 1718, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1692; d. 1733, St. Mary's Hundred,
St.
>>>> Mary's Co., MD.
>>>> iii. JOSEPH WHEATLEY, b. 1694, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1739,
>>>> St.
>>>> Mary's Co., MD; m. MARTHA, Bef. 1734, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1719;
>>>> d.
>>>> Aft. 1744, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>> iv. MARY WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1712, St. Mary's Co., MD; d.
Aft.
>>>> 1727, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. (1) WILLIAM GREENWELL, Bef. 1727; b. Bef.
>>>> 1704,
>>>> St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 04 Jul 1727, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. (2)
>>>> ROBERT
>>>> HAMMETT, JR., 1727, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1707, St. Mary's Co.,
>>>> MD;
>>>> d.
>>>> 1760, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>> v. ELIZABETH WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1716, St. Mary's Co., MD;
d.
>>>> Aft. 1717.
>>>> vi. SUSANNA WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1716, St. Mary's Co., MD; d.
>>>> Aft.
>>>> 1717.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Children of JOHN WHEATLEY and ELIZABETH NOTTINGHAM are:
>>>> vii. JOHN3 WHEATLEY III, b. Bef. 1695, St. Mary's Co., MD;
d.
>>>> Aft. 1740.
>>>> viii. THOMAS WHEATLEY, b. Bet. 1699 - 1702, St. Mary's Co.,
MD;
>>> d.
>>>> Aft. 1758.
>>>> ix. ANN WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1713, St. Mary's Co., MD; d.
1766,
>>> St.
>>>> Mary's Co., MD; m. JOHN NORRIS, JR., Bef. 1728, St. Mary's Co., MD; b.
>>>> 1681,
>>>> St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1748, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>> x. FRANCIS WHEATLEY, b. Bef. 1716, St. Mary's Co., MD; d.
>>> 1774,
>>>> St. Mary's Co., MD; m. ANN, Bef. 1738, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef.
1723;
>>> d.
>>>> Bef. 1772, St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>>> [mailto:]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jerry Clark
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:37 AM
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Question on John Wheatley
>>>>
>>>> Don,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't have dates of birth or dates of marriage. Maybe Linda Reno
does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> here are all of my notes:
>>>>
>>>> Children of ELIZABETH NOTTINGHAM and JOHN WHEATLEY are:
>>>> i. JOHN3 WHEATLEY.
>>>> ii. THOMAS WHEATLEY.
>>>> iii. FRANCIS WHEATLEY.
>>>> iv. ANNE WHEATLEY, b. Aft. 1703.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Wheatley of St. Mary's County gives his wife's
>>>> name as Elizabeth in his will(14:388). Other
>>>> researchers have noted that his wife was Winefred
>>>> Horn evidencing the following -
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Apr 1682, 100 acres called Maiden's Lott were
>>>> patented to one Winefred Horn; and on 4 Aug 1685 the
>>>> land was transferred to her then husband, John
>>>> Wheatley of Calvert County, Md. (Provincial Land Ofice
>>>> Patent 21:405) and NS&B:371.
>>>>
>>>> Are the Elizabeth and Winefred one and the same
>>>> person?
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, I have seen Winefred and Winifred as alternate
>>>> spellings for the given name of John's wife. Which one
>>>> is correct.
>>>>
>>>> Darth Miller
>>>>
>>>> According to my files, John Wheatley (son of John Wheatley who d. 1659)
>>>> m.
>>>> first, Winifred Horn, daughter of Edward Horn and his wife Winifred and
>>>> second, Elizabeth Nottingham (daughter of Thomas Nottingham who d.
>>>> 1713).
>>>>
>>>> Linda Reno
>>>>
>>>> additional notes:
>>>>
>>>> Descendants of Thomas Nottingham
>>>> Generation No. 1
>>>> 1. THOMAS1 NOTTINGHAM
>>>> Notes for THOMAS NOTTINGHAM:
>>>> John is placed as her son because he and his father were named as NOK
of
>>>> Thomas Nottingham. Thomas and Francis were placed as her sons because
>>>> they
>>>> were listed as NOK of her brother, Stephen Nottingham in 1745.
>>>>
>>>> Children of THOMAS NOTTINGHAM are:
>>>> 2. i. ELIZABETH2 NOTTINGHAM.
>>>> 3. ii. STEPHEN NOTTINGHAM, d. 1745, St Mary Co., MD.
>>>>
>>>> Generation No. 2
>>>> 2. ELIZABETH2 NOTTINGHAM (THOMAS1) She married JOHN WHEATLEY, JR. Abt.
>>> 1697
>>>> in St Mary's Co., MD, son of JOHN WHEATLEY, SR.. He was born Abt. 1640
>>>> in
>>>> England?, and died 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD.
>>>> Notes for JOHN WHEATLEY, JR.:
>>>> John received the tract, "Maiden's Lot" from his f-i-l.
>>>> 25 Apr. 1717 John WHEATLEY mentions his wife, Elizabeth, in his will.
>>>>
>>>> Children of ELIZABETH NOTTINGHAM and JOHN WHEATLEY are:
>>>> i. JOHN3 WHEATLEY.
>>>> ii. THOMAS WHEATLEY.
>>>> iii. FRANCIS WHEATLEY.
>>>> iv. ANNE WHEATLEY, b. Aft. 1703.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Generation No. 3
>>>>
>>>> 4. MATTHIAS3 NOTTINGHAM (STEPHEN2, THOMAS1) died 1767 in St Mary Co.,
>>>> MD.
>>>> He married MARY ???. She died Aft. 1767.
>>>>
>>>> Children of MATTHIAS NOTTINGHAM and MARY ??? are:
>>>> i. RAPHAEL IGNATIUS4 NOTTINGHAM.
>>>> ii. IGNATIUS NOTTINGHAM.
>>>>
>>>> Notes for IGNATIUS NOTTINGHAM:
>>>> Is he the same Ignatius? Kentucky - Nelson County Bivens, May married
>>>> Nottingham, Ignatius on 18 Apr 1805 in Nelson County, Kentucky
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> iii. MARY NOTTINGHAM.
>>>> iv. ELIZABETH NOTTINGHAM.
>>>> v. STEPHEN NOTTINGHAM, b. Bef. 1767.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5. ATHANASIUS3 NOTTINGHAM (STEPHEN2, THOMAS1) was born in St. Mary's
>>>> Co.,
>>>> MD, and died Bet. 1771 - 1772 in St Mary Co., MD. He married ELEANOR
>>>> MEDLEY, daughter of CLEMENT MEDLEY and MARY ???. She died Aft. 1772.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Endnotes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Callier, Carl, CM, Funeral Statistics, Vol. 1, (St. Mary's
>>>> Seminary,
>>>> Perryville, MO, 1989), p. 14, # 133, Henry Riley, son of John Riley and
>>>> Mary
>>>> Joy, husb. of Barbara Nottingham, 101 years.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Amat, Francois, Paradi, parish priests, Translated& Transcribed by
>>>> Patricia Bishop Obrist, The Parish Censuses of the Church of the
>>> Assumption
>>>> of the Blessed Virgin for 1835 and 1846, (Perry County Historical
>>> Society,
>>>> P. O. Box 97, Perryville, MO, 17 May 2002), # 219.
>>>>
>>>> 3. 1850 Census of Perry Co, MO transcribed, p. 9, She is age 65 born
>>>> MD.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Sanders, Faye Sea, Washington County, KY Marriages, (Pub.
>>>> privately,
>>>> 311 Sage Rd., Louisville, KY 40207, 1995), p. 42, Record states
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> Riley, d/o Henry/Barbary.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Callier, Carl, CM, Funeral Statistics, Vol. 1, (St. Mary's
>>>> Seminary,
>>>> Perryville, MO, 1989), p. 20, # 451, 52 years old.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Callier, Carl, CM, Funeral Statistics, Vol. 1, (St. Mary's
>>>> Seminary,
>>>> Perryville, MO, 1989), p. 55, # 2260, Only a burial date provided.
>>>> Elizabeth Manning, about 95 years old.
>>>>
>>>> 7. Sanders, Faye Sea, Washington County, KY Marriages, (Pub.
>>>> privately,
>>>> 311 Sage Rd., Louisville, KY 40207, 1995), p. 42, Record states
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> Riley, d/o Henry/Barbary.
>>>>
>>>> 8. Died at age 56.
>>>>
>>>> 9. This marriage record may be in the St. Louis Archdiocesan records
on
>>>> microfilm at the St. Louis County, Lib. in the SLGS collection. This
>>>> record
>>>> is faint, and in some cases extremely difficult to read.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is all I have on these families. I am not related directly to
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Pat Bishop Obrist
>>>>
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