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From: C Greenwell <>
Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Raley (b.1735)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:56:32 -0500
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Jesuit Missions has a Sarah Raley being Confirmed in 1794. Typically
Confirmation happen when a child is about 14. This would put the
birth of this Sarah before 1780. I wonder if this is the daughter on
John and Henrietta?

Randy

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Linda Reno <> wrote:
> 7/20/1777:  Baptized Sarah Raley, dau. of John and Henrietta.  GP: Ignatius
> Joy, Jr., Athanasius Joy, Jr. and his daughter, Elizabeth Joy. (Jesuit
> Missions).
>
> I have nothing further on Sarah.  She had a sister named Mary Raley and
> she's the one who married William Yates, January 13, 1799 (Fresco). On this,
> Randy and I agree.
>
> I currently show Henrietta Greenwell, daughter of Stephen, as the wife of
> John Raley, but like John I'm not so sure about it given the association
> with the Joy family.
>
> The Joy Genealogy done many years ago and with many errors, says the
> following (plus also see John's note to me).
>
> Joy Geneaology who says that John Raley married Henrietta Joy, but I find no
> real proof and John Dobricky's statement below seems to make sense.
>
> From: Dobricky, John
> To: Linda Reno
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:53 PM
> Subject: the Ignatius Joys
>
> As you know, Ignatius Joy, Sr.," said that any disputes between his children
> and his Executor (that is, John Greenwell of George) were to be settled by
> Ignatius Joy (who had to have been the individual who was the son of Enoch
> Joy I and Tecla Drury) and John Raley (b. 1735--in 1777, John Raley was
> married to Henrietta _________).
>
> I think the above pretty well rules out Henrietta ________ Raley as having
> been a daughter of Ignatius Joy, "Sr."  If she were his daughter, her
> husband (that is, John Raley (b. 1735) would not have been an objective
> mediator of any disputes.  Instead John Raley (b. 1735) would have, as some
> say, "had a dog in that race."  I think John Raley (b. 1735) and Ignatius
> Joy (son of Enoch Joy I and Tecla Drury) were chosen by Ignatius Joy, "Sr.,"
> to be the mediators because they could both be objective.
>
> Linda Reno
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of John Dobricky
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:51 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Raley (b.1735)
>
> Hi.  Depends on who you talk to.  Linda puts her in this family.
> given the familial connections, I'm not sure.  I think she may have
> been the daughter of a different John Raley.  But, I don't have my
> files in front of me.  Let me get back to you this weekend.  John D.
>
> PS:  In terms of Sarah, there is a Raley connection.  And, often,
> cousins married each other.  Also, we think Henrietta _______ Raley
> (wife of John Raley (b. 1735 in SMC) may have been a daughter of
> Stephen Greenwell.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:50 PM, C Greenwell <> wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have Mary Raley dau. of John (b. 1735) and Henrietta married to
>> William Yates.  Do I have the wrong parents for her?
>>
>> MARY1 RALEY was born on 16 Dec 1770 in St Mary's County, Maryland. She
>> died in 1838 in St Mary's County, Maryland. She married WILLIAM YATES
>> on 10 Jan 1799 in St Mary's County, Maryland. He was born on 10 Dec
>> 1772 in St Mary's County, Maryland. He died in 1838 in St Mary's
>> County, Maryland.
>>
>> William Yates and Mary Raley had the following children:
>>
>> i. MARY2 YATES was born on 05 Nov 1805 in St Mary's County, Maryland.
>> She died on 16 Nov 1881 in St Mary's County, Maryland.
>> ii. ANN YATES was born on 17 Jan 1803 in St Mary's County, Maryland.
>> She died on 23 Sep 1892 in Prince George's, Maryland.
>> iii. MARTIN YATES was born on 02 May 1801 in St Mary's County,
>> Maryland. He died on 29 Apr 1858 in Patuxent, St Mary's, Maryland.
>> iv. CATHERINE YATES was born on 16 Feb 1800 in St Mary's County,
>> Maryland. She died in 1860.
>> v. WILLIAM H YATES was born on 13 Feb 1805 in St Mary's County,
>> Maryland. He died on 27 Aug 1845 in St Mary's County, Maryland.
>>
>> As for Sarah Raley, I am looking for an unmarried Sarah who could
>> possibly be the wife of Wilfred Greenwell of Thomas.  This Sarah would
>> have been born ca. 1777and died 1830.  One of their sons, Pius,
>> married Ann Wimsatt dau. of John Wimsatt and Elizabeth Williams.  The
>> other dau., Mary J. of John Wimsatt, married Henry Greenwell (b. 1807)
>> and their dau. Jane, married Henry Ign. Raley (Henry S., Stephen,
>> John).  Between 1870 and 1880 Ann Wimstatt Greenwell lived with Henry
>> Ign.  While the connection is that Henry Ign. was the nephew-in-law of
>> Ann Wimsatt Greenwell, he is also a descendant of John Raley(b. 1735).
>>
>> So, I wondered why Ann Wimsatt Greenwell did not live with her sister
>> but instead chose to live with her sisters daughter and husband.
>> Could there be a connection with Henry Ign. also?
>>
>> I know that this is reaching a little but I do not want to leave any
>> stones un-turned so to speak.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:24 PM, John Dobricky <>
> wrote:
>>> Hi.  John and Henrietta are ancestors of mine (and a bunch of other
>>> folks).  Anyway, as I recall, Linda suggested some time ago that Sarah
>>> Raley may have married William Yates.  However, I think we later felt
>>> that the Raley girl who married William Yates belonged somewhere else.
>>>  I don't think we have any idea what acrually happened to Sarah Raley.
>>>  Do you have an hypothesis up your sleeve?  If so, I'd love to hear
>>> about it.  Thanks!  John Dobricky
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:46 AM, C Greenwell <>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> I am looking at John Raley (b. 1735) and his Wife Henrietta (some say
>>>> Joy).  They had a daughter Sarah Raley, baptised at St. Francis Xavier
>>>> on 19 Jul 1777.  Does anyone know what happened to her?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Randy
>>>>
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