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From: "VermandoisMontgomery" <>
Subject: [MDWASHIN-L] ATT: Susan McIntyre
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:11:28 -0800


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Here's what I've been getting in the way of returns. Still happening today.
Have contacted my server - they suggest you also contact your ISP.
Don't know how to explain - will be silent except for critical messages
hereon out so as not to disturb the list.
Thom
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From: "VermandoisMontgomery" <>
To: "Susan McIntyre" <>
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Can't reach you. Your server seems to be down or our computers aren't
talking.
Thom
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From: VermandoisMontgomery <>
To: Susan McIntyre <>
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:49 AM
Subject: Listings


>Your emails are arriving quite well now. Glad my server ahs corrected
>itself.
>No need to review all works. The primary interest for now was the Orphans
>and Bastards, the Guardian accounts, the marriages after 1850. My line of
>Coombs/Combs research was for Andrew, brother to the Samuel you located;
his
>son John d. 1849; his son Jesse, born 1801. The Joseph info was very
>interesting - John had a brother Joseph - and there was another and not
>likely directly related Joseph Combs - the name drives most Coombs/Combs
>researchers nuts because they all lived within miles if not blocks of each
>other in Frederick, Louden and Bedford counties. The fact that they kept
>moving next to each other makes us think there has to be SOME relationship.
>At any rate, you have gone beyond the call of duty in your previous email -
>aznd I am so grateful - the data was very new and I still wish to post it
to
>the Combs family website I subscribe to if I may.
>Thom
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan McIntyre <>
>To: VermandoisMontgomery <>
>Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:44 PM
>Subject: Re: Whoa!!!!!!!
>
>
>>I took a quick look at the index of the "bastards" book and there are a
>number
>>of both spelling of the surname Coombs/Combs - I will not be able to
>transcribe
>>the list until later this afternoon. Just to let you know what books that
>I
>>have in my collection - in case they might prove of use to you in the
>future:
>>
>>Apprentices, Poor Children and Bastards Loudoun Co, VA 1757-1850 by
Louisa
>>Skinner Hutchison
>>Loudoun County, VA Death Register 1853-1896 by Elizabeth R. Frain and
>Marty
>>Hiatt
>>Marriages of Loudoun Co, VA 1757-1853 by Mary Alice Wertz
>>Loudoun County, VA Marriages After 1850 Vol. I 1851-1880 by Patricia B.
>>Duncan & Elizabeth R. Frain
>>Loudoun Co. VA Will Book Abstracts Books A - Z Dec. 1757 - Jun 1841 by
>>Patricia B. Duncan
>>Abstracts from Loudoun County, VA Guardian Accounts Books A-H 1759-1904
>by
>>Patricia B. Duncan
>>Loudoun County, VA Birth Register 1853-1879 by Patricia B. Duncan
>>Loudoun County, VA Birth Register 1880-1896 by Patricia B. Duncan
>>Marriage Licenses of Frederick Co, MD 1778-1810 by Margaret E. Myers
>>Marriage Licenses of Frederick Co., MD 1811-1840 by Margaret E. Myers
>>Marriage Licenses of Frederick Co. MD 1841-1865 by Margaret E. Myers
>>The Jacob Engelbrecht Marriage Ledger of Frederick Co, MD 1820-1890 by
>Trudie
>>Davis Long and Edith Olivia Eader
>>
>>Do you want all the Loudoun Co. VA books checked for the Combs surname -
>what
>>about the mention of MD - do they know what county in MD they were in?
>>Susan
>>
>>VermandoisMontgomery wrote:
>>
>>> Just realized the import of your message below for another line of
>research
>>> I'm on - Does the book on APPRENTICES, POOR CHILDREN AND BASTARDS have
>any
>>> mention the Combs/Coombs family? If so, could you let me know what names
>are
>>> mentioned. Also, looking for a Nancy or Ann Green b. ca. 1770 who
married
>1)
>>> George Venander and 2) a John Coombs/Combs.
>>> Would be most grateful if you could check it out for me - ANY
>Combs/Coombs
>>> etc. would be of interest. They were in Loudon fromabout 1759 through
>1850.
>>> Then to Ohio by 1855 [and Maryland by 1828].
>>> Thom
>>>
>>> -----Original Message--
>>>
>>> ---
>>> From: Susan McIntyre <>
>>> To: VermandoisMontgomery <>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 2:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Noble Hurdle
>>>
>>> >Hello Thom,
>>> >
>>> >Boy you sure have been busy...just how many hours do you have in your
>day
>>> (must
>>> >be many more than the rest of us, considering how much you manage to
get
>>> done!).
>>> >I really appreciate all the information that you have provided, I am
>>> especially
>>> >excited about the references to John Hurdle. In the latest Loudoun Co.
>VA
>>> book
>>> >that I have gotten (that location is what I center my searching on) I
>have
>>> found
>>> >the following reference:
>>> >
>>> >"Apprentices, Poor Children and Bastards Loudoun County, Virginia
>>> 1757-1850" by
>>> >Louisa Skinner Hutchison
>>> >
>>> >12 Jan 1811 John HURDLE, poor boy, 3 yrs 8 mo. old, to Thomas
FRANCIS,
>to
>>> be a
>>> >farmer.
>>> >(unfortunately doen't indicate his parents or if he was an orphan or
>>> bastard -
>>> >just that no adult was willing or able to provide security for the sad
>>> little
>>> >toddler - how disturbing).
>>> >
>>> >I can next find a John Hurdle in 1830 in Loudoun attesting to the age
of
>>> >Catharine Garrett when she marries Thadeus Russell.
>>> >And then I have no idea where he goes - if this John is related to my
>>> >Nolan/Noland (John being born abt. 1807, Noland being born maybe 1797 -
>>> based on
>>> >a guess that he must have been at least 15 in 1812 to join the war). I
>have
>>> also
>>> >been informed by another Hurdle researcher that the Richard Hurdle you
>have
>>>
>>> >listed in the Washington co. MD wills had land in Loudoun Co, VA -
>another
>>> >possible connection to my Noland Hurdle. What I need to do now is
>organize
>>> my
>>> >possibilities list and send off to the various clerk's offices for
>copies
>>> of the
>>> >documents.
>>> >Wish me luck
>>> >Susan McIntyre
>>> >
>>> >VermandoisMontgomery wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Well, here goes some miscellaneous data: hope this is useful.
>>> >> >From WILLS OF WASHINGTON CO. AN INDEX 1776-1890; dale Walton Morrow
>et
>>> al;
>>> >> priovately printed; 1977:
>>> >> Richard Hurdle will and supporting documents 1845; supporting
>documents
>>> >> 1848.
>>> >> >From INDEX TO DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA WILLS 1801-1920; Doroth y S.
>Provine;
>>> >> Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc; Baltimore, MD; 1992:
>>> >> HURDLE:
>>> >> James 1862 Box 30; Leonard 1806 Box 2; Mary C. 1899 Box 184; Noble
>1874,
>>> >> Box 54; Thomas T. 1912, Box 445.
>>> >> [No George or Henrietta Alexander in index].
>>> >> John T. Devine 1914 Box 489; Julia Deviney [sic] 1919 Box 626.
>>> >> William H. Shaw 1909 Box 378.
>>> >> >From DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA GUARDIANSHIP INDEX 1802-1928; Wesley E.
>>> Pippenger,
>>> >> Arlington VA; Willow Bend Books; 1998 [now in Westminster MD]:
>>> >> Joseph B. Hurdle, Martha V., Mary G., children of Samuel Hurdle,
under
>>> >> guardianship of Hannah Paxton, 1893, case 1688.
>>> >> Edward Payne, son of Charles H. Payne, born 10 September 1868, under
>>> >> guardianship of Thomas Hurdle, 1886, case No. 0688.
>>> >> Edward, Ellen and William Deving [sic] children of Michael Deving,
>1892,
>>> >> under guardianship of James F. O'Meara, case 1581 - William Deving
>born 4
>>> >> December 1887.
>>> >> Children of James H. Alexander: Emma Caroline b 8 Dec 1884, James
>>> Haywood, b
>>> >> 9 Dec 1887, under guardianship of Kate Alexander, 1904, case 3289.
>>> >> Children of Robert Alexander: Robert Alexander b. ?. Sigismunda M. b.
>?;
>>> >> under guardianship of Thomas Carbery, 1821; case OS0212 and OSO211.
>>> >> respectively.
>>> >> Children of Rosa Alexander: Thomas N. Alexander b 29 June 188,
William
>A
>>> >> Alexander b. 23 Martch 1886, under guardianship of Beverly R. Lemos,
>>> 1901,
>>> >> case 2697.Audrey Elaine Alexander, b 20 July 1918, parent not listed,
>>> under
>>> >> guardianship of Isadore Freund 1927, case 7021.
>>> >> John W. Alexander Jr., 13 Aug 1905, son of John W. Alexander, under
>>> >> guardianship of John W. Alexander Sr. [sic] 1922, case 6022.
>>> >> Lucille Alexander, d/o D. H. Alexander, b 5 Nov 1895, under
>guardianship
>>> of
>>> >> Lacey C. Zapp, 1915, case 4916.
>>> >> Ruth Alexander, d/o Cecil Alexander, b 4 Sept 1915, under
guardianship
>of
>>> >> Bertha Alexander, 1922, case 5926.
>>> >> In addition, there are several marriages in DC of Hurdles, none for
>>> >> Devine/Divine, DeVine etc. A few for Alexanders:
>>> >> MARRIAGES OF WASHINGTON DC; no author; FAMILY LINE PUBLICATIONS;
>>> >> WESTNMINSTER MD; 1988:
>>> >> Hurdel [sic] Sarah Ann to Green, Wm Nov 9 1826.
>>> >> A. Hurdle to Charles Barremans May 2, 1829. Ann Hurdle to Dominick
>>> Cherry,
>>> >> Feb 8, 1813. Ann Hurdle to Thomas Howell, July 28, 1812; Ann Maria
>Hurdle
>>> to
>>> >> James Knott, Aug 5, 1828.
>>> >> George hurdle to Susan Mason Mar 27, 1817; George N. Hurdle to Jane
>>> Norris,
>>> >> Jan 15, 1829; James GHurdle to Mary A. Reeder Nov 19, 1826. John
>Hurdle
>>> to
>>> >> Margaret Greentree May 23, 1818. William Hurdle to Elizabeth Adams,
>Mar
>>> 21,
>>> >> 1826.
>>> >> ALEXANDER:
>>> >> Charles to Mary Berteand[sic] Dec 2, 1818; Elmira E. E. [sic] to John
>S.
>>> H.
>>> >> H. E. Beale [sic] Feb 26, 1829. Jane to Pasquale Defalo Mar 24, 1835.
>>> John
>>> >> to Emily Perry Jan 13, 18178. Mary Ann to Abraham Bohrer July 1,
1814.
>>> >> >From DFISTRICT OF COLUMBIAN PROBAT4 RECORDS, WILL BOOKS 1 THROUGH 6
>AND
>>> >> ESTATE FILES 1801-1852; Wesley E. Pippenger, Arlington VA; Family
Line
>>> >> Publications; Westminster MD; 1996:p. 25
>>> >> Abstract: Leonard Hurdle of George Town, Washington Co., D.C. 8 April
>>> >> 1804/10 July 1806: Negro woman named Linder and her child Lucy to be
>>> sold,
>>> >> and after debts are paid, the amount to be divided among children
>[names
>>> not
>>> >> gfiven] of my former wife. Residue of personal property to son John
>>> Hurdle,
>>> >> after the death of his mother. Exrx Ann Hurdle, wife. Wit: Michl
>Cleary,
>>> >> Charles King, John N. Lovejoy. Bk 1 pp 180-181 [115-116] P.S. 222,
Box
>2.
>>> >> Hope this helps you.
>>> >> Thom
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Susan McIntyre <>
>>> >> To: VermandoisMontgomery <>
>>> >> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:45 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Noble Hurdle
>>> >>
>>> >> >Hello Thom!
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Thank you so much for the information about Noble Hurdle. I'm sure
>that
>>> >> the
>>> >> >Hurdle's grouped in the triangle of Loudoun Co. VA, Frederick &
>>> Washington
>>> >> Co.
>>> >> >MD & DC must be related in some way to my Noland Hurdle. I do know
>that
>>> >> there
>>> >> >was a Noble Hurdle who served in the War of 1812 for DC while Nolan
>>> Hurdle
>>> >> was
>>> >> >serving for VA. I finally did get the form from NARA and sent my
$10
>to
>>> >> see
>>> >> >what records they have on him.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I notice that you are quoting from a reference book that deals with
>DC.
>>> Do
>>> >> you
>>> >> >by chance have access to a book "Index to DC Wills 1921-1950" by
>Dorothy
>>> S.
>>> >> >Provine or "DC Guardianship Index 1802-1928" by Peppenger? I have a
>>> couple
>>> >> of
>>> >> >other dead ends that are connected with DC and I was hoping that the
>two
>>> >> noted
>>> >> >books might shed some light on them.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I have a family - George W. Alexander, Henrietta C.(Young)
>Alexander -
>>> dau.
>>> >> >Henrietta & Annie E.Alexander who are on the 1860 DC census but by
>1870
>>> I
>>> >> can't
>>> >> >locate the parents and the daughters are with guardians in Loudoun
>co.
>>> VA.
>>> >> The
>>> >> >family originates in Middletown (Frederick co) MD.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I also have a number of DeVines/Divines who start in Loudoun Co., VA
>and
>>> >> move to
>>> >> >DC that I am trying to trace (including a few married daughters).
>>> between
>>> >> >1877-1932.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I'm even poking around a bit in Carroll co. MD for marriage and
death
>>> >> >information for a Maud Divine who married a William Shaw in 1888 -
so
>as
>>> I
>>> >> said
>>> >> >they seem to stay in their "triangle"
>>> >> >Susan
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >VermandoisMontgomery wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Susan - just saw a reference to a NOBLE HURDLE in Washington DC as
>>> >> executor
>>> >> >> to estate of Levin Cartwright, will written 14 February 1841,
>proved
>>> 29
>>> >> June
>>> >> >> 1841. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA PROBATE RECORDS WILL BOOKS 1 THROUGH 6
>>> >> 1801-1852:
>>> >> >> Comp. by Wesley E. Pippiner; Family Line Publications; Westminster
>MD;
>>> >> 1996
>>> >> >> [now Willow Bend Books].
>>> >> >> Thom
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>
>


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