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From: "JoAnne Martin" <>
Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Church location ?
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:34:32 -0500
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Lauren, You are right about those common names. I agree it helps to rule out
and have done some in the past. I had an appointment today and was able to
get to the Library afterward and continue looking. for answers.
Will try getting my hands on sources you listed today.
Again thanks for your continued support and suggestions. They are greatly
appreciated. Jo Anne




----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren Brantner" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Church location ?


> JoAnne,
> It is because you're dealing with such a common surname and first name
that you're inundated. [I have been avoiding a Schmidt/Smith line for that
very reason!] I keep all the stuff I find to help rule people out as well as
in and I want to know as much information as I can. You are also dealing
with many common Biblical names like Thomas, James, Joseph, David, etc. I
suspect many of the Johnson families in Frederick Co. may have named
children after Gov. Johnson, the first Gov. of Md.[who was named after his
father Thomas presumably.]
>
> Here are some genealogies from Passano's Source Records:
> :
> Johnson and allied families, R. W. Johnson and L. J. Morris, 1934, DAR
>
> Johnsons of Md. (Gov. Thomas Johnson Family) DAR Magazine, Oct. 1914, V.
45 p. 173
>
> Lineage Bks. Nat'l Soc. of Daughters of Amer. Col. V. 3, p. 219, v4 p. 219
MD Historical Society and DAR
>
> Frederick Co. Families, Markell. Ms. Personal list.
>
> Johnson, Calvert & Frederick Counties, MD, Col. families of the USA,
Mackenzie, v1, v2, Md. Hist. Soc., DAR see also below:
>
> Governor Thomas Johnson:
> "Son of Thomas and Dorcas Sedwick Johnson; born St. Leonard's Creek,
Calvert Co., Nov. 4, 1732; married Anne Jennings, daughter of Thomas
Jennings, Annapolis, Feb. 16, 1766; died at Rose Hill Frederick, Oct. 25,
1819. (From Scharf - also see Maryland Hist. Mag. 1919 v. 14, 1920, v 15.
>
> There is a John Johnson on the Grand Jury in Frederick Co. in the 1750's -
he's labeled as John Johnson of Kittoctin.
>
> Zion Evangelical and Reformed Church in Hagerstown has been published.
Its Vol 12 of the MD German Church Records series. There are quite a few
other Reformed Churches in Frederick County.
>
> Lauren Brantner
>
>
>
>
>
> JoAnne Martin <> wrote: Lauren, I have looked at
these sources and have some copies I made in the
> past but still could not make that connection with so many Johnsons. I am
> sure there is a connection some place. It seems that church was a big part
> of the Michael Nichol Family lives and know it has continued to be a big
> part of those female lines of mine that continue today. It seems unlikely
> then that Catherine Nichol and Thomas Johnson did not use a minister to
> marry so still hope some where a reference will turn up perhaps in some
> special collection papers.
>
> Maybe you can see a name trend in the following that I'm not seeing
>
> Known children of Thomas and Catherine Johnson:
>
> Joseph Johnson b. abt 1808, Washington Co., MD m. 22 Apr 1841 Montgomery
> Co., IN Lucinda Jones b.abt 1820 KY children Mary Ann, Margaret R.,
Samuel
> T., James W., Elizabeth J, and Joseph
>
> Elizabeth Margaret Johnson b. 5 June 1820 in or near Harpers Ferry, VA. m.
> 21 Mar 1839 Montgomery Co., IN David Beasley
> b. 1817, Ohio (parents Isaac and Susana unknown)
>
> David and Elizabeth's children are Harriet, Richard, Mary E., Amanda J.,
> Elizabeth Ann, Thomas, William, Emma, Susan Catherine,(grand mothers first
> names combined here) David, Margaret Elizabeth (Reverse of Mom's Name) and
> her Fraternal twin John Shafer*, Lewis C., Robert, unnamed male, F. A.
> Mollie
> All of above children born in IN 1640-1864 except Mollie b. 1866 in
> Nebraska.
>
> Also on 1840 Union, Montgomery Co., IN census it shows another possible
> child and their family and children with Thomas and Catherine.
>
> They are gone by 1850 and Thomas and Catherine living alone.
> Thomas d. 22 Apr, 1854 IN,
> Catherine d. 28 Feb., 1862, Boone Co., IN
>
> Siblings of David Beasley are Rachel, Sarah, John and his twin Cornelius,
> and Elizabeth
>
> * Shafer could also be a German word for Shepherd
>
> Again thanks for any and all help you have been giving.
> Jo Anne
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lauren Brantner"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Church location ?
>
>
> > JoAnne,
> > If you can get access to Millard Milburn Rice's book THIS IS THE LIFE,
> Excerpts from the Judgment Records of Frederick Co. MD 1748-1765 you will
> pick up references to Thomas Johnson and Thomas Johnson Jun. There are as
> many references to a John as there are to Thomas. There are books and
works
> about the Governor also. I didn't check Pasanno to see if there is a
> genealogy on his family. I'll take a look - I'd bet there is. It may help
> you rule people in and out. When I looked at Frederick Co Marriage License
> Index covering 1778-1810 there are 4 Thomas Johnson marriages during that
> time period. Let me know if you want those to help you sort.They run from
> 1800-1806.
> >
> > Lauren
> >
> > JoAnne Martin wrote: Lauren,
> > Thank you. I was aware of the Marriage Index and also hope to find a
> church
> > or minister's record of this marriage as due to the fire no other record
> > than index.
> >
> > Aware of the Barnet Johnson estate distributions but not the other
entries
> > you posted.
> >
> > Lauren wrote:
> > "There is a obit in 1808 about a man who was an aid to Thomas Johnson
> who
> > reinforced [George] Washington in the Winter of 77."
> > (Think this refers to Gov. Thomas Johnson a friend and strong supporter
of
> > George.)
> >
> > You are right a lots of Thomas Johnsons and other Johnsons in the
> > area.
> >
> > Thomas Johnson the First Governor of Maryland and the Hawbottom
Johnsons
> > have lots of references
> >
> > Connections to the furnaces seem to go back to the Gov. and his
brothers.
> > If my Thomas is connected to these families it seems to be a little
> farther
> > removed ..... a possible grandson, 2nd cousin.
> >
> > Lauren wrote:
> > "In 1807 there is an order by the Orphan's Court to sell property of
> Thomas
> > J. Johnson. All in Frederick Co."
> >
> > The reference to the Orphans Court is of interest because at an
earlier
> > time in Donna Valley Russell book Frederick County, Maryland, Wills
Liber
> > GM#1 (1777-1783) p.116
> > "Thomas Johnson of Frederick Co. Will dtd. 7 Aug 1778 sick mentions
sons
> > John, Thomas,William and Richard. It indicates
> > that only John seems to be of age. His will commits minor sons to be
> raised
> > by son John and friend Edward Thomas the executors. Will proved 17 Oct.
> > 1778."
> > Land mentioned in will Flag Pond, Lashmutt's Folly, Perry's Lot
> >
> > p110 also has a will that appears from a different Thomas Johnson of
> > Frederick Co. Will dtd 19 Feb., 1778 weak
> > names wife Mary, daughter Martha, Grand-dau Elizabeth Johnson.
> > Dau. Mary wife of Robert Fuller and their unnamed children also sons
> John,
> > Thomas all currently living on land being inherited. Sons also mentioned
> in
> > Will are Joseph, Henry and Robert. Exce. of Will sons John and Joseph.
> > Will Proved 17 March 1778
> > Land mentioned Johnson's Thickett, Johnson' Lane Enlargement,
Johnson's
> > Level, and Resurvey on Stony Level
> >
> > Thomas is a farmer in Indiana but he may have been connected to mills or
> > furnaces in MD as they seem to be areas near him. I will continue to
check
> > them out.
> > Again thank you. I really appreciate this wonderful help. Jo Anne
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lauren Brantner"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Church location ?
> >
> >
> > > JoAnne,
> > > I checked Morrow and Morrow's Marriage License Index and found this
> entry:
> > >
> > > JOHNSON, Tho./Cath. NICHOLS 6/12/1800
> > >
> > > There is an estate distribution in 1794 for Barnet Johnson. Heirs
> include
> > Peter, William, Joshua, John, Joseph, Elizabeth, Nancy, Denton, Elinor
and
> > Mary T 203.19.5 [pounds, shillings and pence].
> > >
> > > There is a strong Thomas Johnson presence in Frederick Co. I don't
know
> > how many or if or how they are connected:
> > >
> > > Maryland Gazette [Frederick]
> > >
> > > Feb. 9, 1797
> > > "Persons forewarned from coming on my lands; it has been customary for
> > people who do not hold land in the neighborhood of Etna Glass Works, to
> send
> > their cattle over in the spring of the year; we have found them very
> > troublesome - Tho Johnson Jun."
> > >
> > > There is in the Frederick-Town Herald January 4, 1806, a list of land
> > tracts in Allegany county MD of persons who did not reside in the
county.
> > On this list is Thomas Johnson, Promised Land, Thomas and Ann, Peace and
> > Plenty, Pt. of Spruce Spring; Thomas Johnson & James Greenleaf et al -
> Sugar
> > Camp.
> > >
> > > Thomas and Joseph Johnson were executors of Joseph Johnson in 1807 -
> land
> > was located 3 miles from Mrs. Craft's Mill (Frederick)
> > >
> > > Frederick Town Herald
> > > March 14, 1807
> > > "James and Thomas Johnson Jun at Bush-Creek Forge request persons to
> > settle their accounts with them; call on George Johnson at Bloomsbury
> Forge;
> > persons having accounts with them at Potomac Furnace and Mills are
> requested
> > to call on Thomas Johnson there for settlement."
> > >
> > > There is a obit in 1808 about a man who was an aid to Thomas Johnson
> who
> > reinforced [George] Washington in the Winter of 77.
> > >
> > > In 1809 Thomas Johnson 3 miles from town (Frederick) was offering land
> for
> > sale.
> > >
> > > In 1806 Elizabeth Johnson was appointed administrator of Thomas
> Johnson's
> > estate. There is a later notice saying notes from the sale of the
estate
> of
> > Thomas I. Johnson are called due for settlement. In 1807 there is an
order
> > by the Orphan's Court to sell property of Thomas J. Johnson. All in
> > Frederick Co.
> > >
> > > Passano's Source Records for Maryland list these entries
> > > Hist of FrederickCo. Williams v.1 p 11
> > > Hist of Allegany Co. Thomas and Williams, V. 2
> > > History of Wash Co. Williams v. 2 p. 1071
> > >
> > > There are many other sources with a surname this common.
> > >
> > > The earliest entry in the will index for Johnson is in the 1870's.
> > >
> > > Lauren Brantner
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > JoAnne Martin wrote: Sorry Thomas born 1774.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "JoAnne Martin"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Church location ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thank you Alice. Catherine Nichol was baptized in 1777 in the
> Frederick
> > > Co.,
> > > > German Reformed Church Frederick, MD . By 1800 census she (newly
> > > married)
> > > > and with husband Thomas Johnson live near her parents the Michael
> > Nichols
> > > in
> > > > Lower Antietam Hundredt. I can't find Thomas's parents but according
> to
> > > his
> > > > tombstone he was born 16, Sept., 1744. LDS says his birth place MD
> but
> > > it
> > > > says VA on an 1850 IN census. Their daughter Elizabeth Margaret
> Johnson
> > > born
> > > > 1820 VA(WV)near Harpers Ferry reports to being a long time
Methodist
> in
> > > an
> > > > article written about 1870. Hope to find somewhere a church record
for
> > > > Thomas and family in that area., Jo Anne
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alice Hawrilenko"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Church location ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There was the Antietam[Antuhtem] Branch of Kreider's Reformed
Church
> > > which
> > > > > came under the direction of George Adam Geeting about 1769.
> > > > > Alice
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "JoAnne Martin"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:00 AM
> > > > > Subject: [MDWashin] Church location ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hope someone can tell me a German Reformed or a Methodist Church
> > that
> > > > > > would be located in Lower Antietam Hundred
> > > > > > around 1800. Thanks to all who make this site so great.
> > > > > > Jo Anne
> > > > > >
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