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From: Jean Suddarth <>
Subject: Re: [MEADOWS] AMBROSE
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:00:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00)


Janean-I responded to one of your e-mails in reference to the information below by asking you who the compiler was and what book it was from. I would appreciate an answer because I have abstracts and there is nothing giving a death date for anyone of Dec. 24, 1661. That is, however, the date that Tomlinson sold the 150 acres to someone else. While it does identify the land as being purchased of Thomas Meador from his father Ambrose, it does not say that Ambrose or his son Thomas was deceased at that time.

THEN FROM THIS 300 ACRES AMBROSE JR.'S SON THOMAS SOLD 150 OF IT TO
> > RICHARD
> > THOMLINSON
> >
> > AMBROSE JR. MADE HIS SON THOMAS HIS LAWFUL ATTY IN 1658 REGARDING THE
> 300
> > ACRES. THE ABOVE DATE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS STATES DIED 24 DEC.
> 1661.
> > THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DATE OF DEATH FOR HIS BROTHER THOMAS
> > "MEADES" MEADOWS 1612-1655. THAT WOULD PUT THEM IN THE MID
40'S WHICH
> IS
> > MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR LIFE SPANS BACK THEN.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Janean <>
>Sent: Apr 17, 2007 11:55 AM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [MEADOWS] AMBROSE
>
>Well on the passengers lists there is Ambrose, John, Thomas and another
>Ambrose all passengers in 1636.
>
>The dates of documents can't possibly be Ambrose Sr. and his son Thomas as
>things were dated after the death of Thomas and could only therefore be
>Ambrose Jr. and HIS son Thomas.
>
>Unless someone is totally messing up their transcriptions of or the retyping
>into their own database and passing along miss information.
>
>Based on documents I've been reading the past two days this is my conclusion
>
>How could Thomas son of Ambrose Sr. sell the land to Richard Tomlynson in
>1657 the land his father gave sold him in Aug. of 1658 and THEN 3 days later
>gives him power of attorney. I believe possibly Ambrose Sr. was possibly
>ill and settling his accounts and making his will. This earlier mentioned
>death date of 1661 would then make sense.
>
>SO my point is... How could Thomas sell the land he got from his father
>Ambrose in 1657 when he didn't even get it until Aug. of 1658?
>
>Also how could Thomas Meador son of Ambrose have land dealings in 1658 with
>his father when Thomas died in 1655 per his will. This is why I believe
>those land documents above were referring to Ambrose the SON and his son.
>Not Ambrose the father.
>
>There is a definite land deed as follows:
>
>" Know All Men by these presents that I Ambrose Meader of the county of
>Rappa. in Virginia consideraun to me paid by Thomas Meador my son of the
>county aforesaid (missing) heirs Exes Amrs and assignes five grant bargain
>sell and assigns ever unto the said Thomas Meader a parcell of land
>conteyning three hundred acres being part of one thousand acres of land sold
>and conveyed unto me Ambrose Meader by James Williamson as by a deed of sale
>under the hand and seal of the said Willimson plainly appeareth situatle
>lying and being on the north side of Rappa River the said three hundred
>acres of land edjoying unto the upon the land Thomas Robinson which land
>ther said Robyson purchased of me Ambrose Meador likewise being part of the
>one thousand acres or land unto him the said Thomas Meader his heirs Exrs
>Admirs and assignes for Ever with all rights and priviledges thereunto
>belong and appertaining I the said Ambrose Meader do for me my heirs Exrs
>and Admirs hereby promise to wawrrant and defend the said three hundred
>acres of land from all persons claiming by Witnes whre of I the said Thomas
>Meader his heirs Exrs. Admrs or assignes. In witness whereof I the said
>Ambrose have hereunto put my hand and seal this 30th day of August anno dam
>1658
>
>ALSO
>
>KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I AMBROSE MEADR of the Co of Rappa.
>Planter do (constituet&appoint) my well beloved Sonn THOMAS MEADOR my true &
>lawfull Attorney for me& in my (place&stead) to acknowledge in Court three
>hundred acres of land at this Court as by my deed of (missing) appear & I do
>also by these presentsgive & grant unto my said Attorney full power to make
>(other) Attorny or Attorneys as my said Attorny shall find cause & in
>Witness to all & every (the premises) I AMBROSE MEADER have here unto sett
>my hand this 2d of September 1658.
>
>If Thomas b. 1612 d. 1655, son of Ambrose SR were the Ambrose and Thomas
>Meador in these above documents then they were signed posthumously.
>
>Janean
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [mailto:] On
>Behalf Of genbug
>Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:24 PM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [MEADOWS] AMBROSE
>
>The fact that Ambrose surrendered his headright to Peter Johnson means that
>Peter paid for the transportation of Ambrose, his wife and servant. I have
>never seen any document that says that Ambrose came here in 1635 although he
>may have. It took a while for the headright to be legally filed.
>
>I'm not sure where you get Ambrose Jr.? I have only seen sons John and
>Thomas for Ambrose.
>
>
>On 4/16/07, Janean <> wrote:
>>
>> You said
>>
>> 1 Jun 1636 Ambrose surrendered to Peter Johnson in Warrisquicke Co. 150 AC
>> headright for the passage of himself, his wife and servant. I don't see
>> where there is any room there for any sons named Thomas and Ambrose to
>> have
>> immigrated with him.
>>
>> People were "given" headrights for coming here. The above statement tells
>> me that Ambrose GAVE to Peter Johnson 150 a for the passage of "himself"
>> meaning Peter Johnson - his wife and their servant.
>>
>> Ambrose was to have come here in 1635. So he was here for a year and gave
>> peter Johnson 150 ac for coming here.
>>
>> Then you said
>>
>> Thomas Meades assigns his headright of 50 AC to John Gater of Elizabeth
>> City
>> the same year. I don't see how this Thomas could be a son of Ambrose if he
>> is old enough to get a headright himself. I often see this Thomas listed
>> as
>> Ambrose' son and I believe it is a mistake.
>>
>> Thomas and Ambrose Jr. would have been in their earlie to mid 20's when
>> they
>> came here. Isn't 23 old enough?
>>
>> Herein lies the problem.
>>
>> I am trying to get verification of Ambrose Sr. with sons Ambrose and
>> Thomas
>> and then Thomas's son Thomas and Ambrose Jr's son Thomas.
>>
>> I don't want to speculate about other years or other Thomas or who may or
>> may not belong to whom. I'm taking available already posted and
>> documented
>> material and trying to confirm or deny which person it belongs to.
>>
>> I may have to just print out every single thing I've obtained and try to
>> figure it out myself.
>>
>> I belong to BALL and CHINN lines of Lancaster and Rappahannock Co. and
>> those
>> were easy compared to this line. I've never seen more confusion and what
>> appears to be misinformation.
>>
>> I can't figure out yet, who on these lists seem to know what they are
>> talking about and who actually has a grip on these lines. But I'm still
>> new
>> to this particular puzzle so I will keep trying to find the pieces.
>>
>> Janean
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [mailto:]
>> On
>> Behalf Of genbug
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:15 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [MEADOWS] AMBROSE
>>
>> You said "I have that Ambrose came to America with his son Thomas and
>> Ambrose. That
>> tells me this is SR. and JR. The notes/documents I have referred to
>> SHOULD
>> BE all about these men."
>>
>> 1 Jun 1636 Ambrose surrendered to Peter Johnson in Warrisquicke Co. 150 AC
>> headright for the passage of himself, his wife and servant. I don't see
>> where there is any room there for any sons named Thomas and Ambrose to
>> have
>> immigrated with him.
>>
>> Thomas Meades assigns his headright of 50 AC to John Gater of Elizabeth
>> City
>> the same year. I don't see how this Thomas could be a son of Ambrose if he
>> is old enough to get a headright himself. I often see this Thomas listed
>> as
>> Ambrose' son and I believe it is a mistake.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/16/07, Janean <> wrote:
>> >
>> > I know all these things. I am not guessing anymore at this point. I am
>> > trying to decipher between the two Ambrose's and the two Thomas.
>> >
>> > I have that Ambrose came to America with his son Thomas and
>> Ambrose. That
>> > tells me this is SR. and JR. The notes/documents I have referred to
>> > SHOULD
>> > BE all about these men.
>> >
>> > This is why I have such a mess in my notes that I've copied from others
>> > and
>> > from what my cousin provided us. Because too many people are
>> > assuming. I'm
>> > looking for someone who has some verification.
>> >
>> > If you have a note that says Ambrose came here with his sons Thomas and
>> > Ambrose........ odds are Sr. and Jr. mean father and son. I know it
>> > doesn't
>> > necessarily mean that but based on these documents........ it does.
>> >
>> > So at this point I'm looking for proven information.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Janean
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [mailto:]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Janet
>> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:31 PM
>> > To:
>> > Subject: Re: [MEADOWS] AMBROSE
>> >
>> > Sr and Jr might not be son and father
>> > If there is two men with same name
>> > Like William Adams who is older of the two William Adams the clerk will
>> > list
>> > as SR and younger JR
>> > Then you find out that SR is Uncle or grandfather to JR or might not be
>> > related at all.
>> >
>> > Now did Ambrose have son or grandson name Ambrose
>> > Janet
>> >
>> > -------Original Message-------
>> >
>> > From: Janean
>> > Date: 04/16/07 11:26:10
>> > To:
>> > Subject: [MEADOWS] AMBROSE
>> >
>> > So this term has just been used to differentiate between him and his
>> > father
>> > correct?
>> >
>> > Now....... to separate Ambrose SR and JR.
>> >
>> > Again, I have what appears to be notes on both of them only under
>> Ambrose
>> > SR.
>> >
>> > I am showing Ambrose SR b. abt. 1580 d. abt. 1670. Near 90 years old is
>> > very rare for back then. However I also have what appears to be notes
>> on
>> > Ambrose Jr. listed under dad.
>> >
>> > OK I HAVE READ AND RE-READ THIS PLEASE CONFIRM.
>> > THIS BELOW IS AMBROSE JR. WHO DIED 24 DEC. 1661 SOLD TO HIS SON THOMAS
>> 300
>> > ACRES ONCE BELONGING TO JAMES WILLIAMSON.
>> >
>> > ID: I3399 Name: Ambrose MEADES Surname: MEADES Given Name: Ambrose Sex:
>> M
>> > Birth: ABT 1583 in , , England Death: 24 Dec 1661 in , , Virginia _UID:
>> > 1D307F5BDABDF74CBF2429D6C8F2EB31B9EF Note:
>> > I was send Ambrose land records: Stating " Know All Men by these
>> presents
>> > that I Ambrose Meader of the county of Rappa. in Virginia consideraun to
>> > me
>> > paid by Thomas Meador my son of the county aforesaid (missing) heirs
>> Exes
>> > Amrs and assignes five grant bargain sell and assigns ever unto the said
>> > Thomas Meader a parcell of land conteyning three hundred acres being
>> part
>> > of
>> > one thousand acres of land sold and conveyed unto me Ambrose Meader by
>> > James
>> > Williamson as by a deed of sale under the hand and seal of the said
>> > Willimson plainly appeareth situatle lying and being on the north side
>> of
>> > Rappa River the said three hundred acres of land edjoying unto the upon
>> > the
>> > land Thomas Robinson which land ther said Robyson purchased of me
>> Ambrose
>> > Meador likewise being part of the one thousand acres or land unto him
>> the
>> > said Thomas Meader his heirs Exrs Admirs and assignes for Ever with all
>> > rights and priviledges thereunto belong and appertaining I the said
>> > Ambrose
>> > Meader do for me my heirs Exrs and Admirs hereby promise to wawrrant and
>> > defend the said three hundred acres of land from all persons claiming by
>> > Witnes whre of I the said Thomas Meader his heirs Exrs. Admrs or
>> assignes.
>> > In witness whereof I the said Ambrose have hereunto put my hand and seal
>> > this 30th day of August anno dam 1658
>> >
>> >
>> > Deed Abstracts of old Rappahannock Co, VA
>> >
>> > KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I AMBROSE MEADR of the Co of Rappa.
>> > Planter do (constituet&appoint) my well beloved Sonn THOMAS MEADOR my
>> true
>> > &
>> > lawfull Attorney for me& in my (place&stead) to acknowledge in Court
>> three
>> > hundred acres of land at this Court as by my deed of (missing) appear &
>> I
>> > do
>> > also by these presentsgive & grant unto my said Attorney full power to
>> > make
>> > (other) Attorny or Attorneys as my said Attorny shall find cause & in
>> > Witness to all & every (the premises) I AMBROSE MEADER have here unto
>> sett
>> > my hand this 2d of September 1658.
>> >
>> > THEN FROM THIS 300 ACRES AMBROSE JR.'S SON THOMAS SOLD 150 OF IT TO
>> > RICHARD
>> > THOMLINSON
>> >
>> > AMBROSE JR. MADE HIS SON THOMAS HIS LAWFUL ATTY IN 1658 REGARDING THE
>> 300
>> > ACRES. THE ABOVE DATE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS STATES DIED 24 DEC.
>> 1661.
>> > THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DATE OF DEATH FOR HIS BROTHER THOMAS
>> > "MEADES" MEADOWS 1612-1655. THAT WOULD PUT THEM IN THE MID 40'S WHICH
>> IS
>> > MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR LIFE SPANS BACK THEN.
>> >
>> > JANEAN
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [mailto:
>> > >mailto:">
>> > [mailto:] On
>> > Behalf Of Janet
>> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:01 PM
>> > To:
>> > Subject: Re: [MEADOWS] Thomas "Orphan" Meadows
>> >
>> > In today times a Orphan lost both parents but back when Thomas was
>> Orphan
>> > means he has no father. Women did not count back them.
>> > Janet
>> >
>> > -------Original Message-------
>> >
>> > From: Janean
>> > Date: 04/16/07 10:08:34
>> > To:
>> > Subject: [MEADOWS] Thomas "Orphan" Meadows
>> >
>> > I'm going to ask a really stupid question folks. But I don't recall if
>> > I've
>> > ever seen it mentioned before so don't you all laugh at once ok?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What does the ORPHAN mean?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Janean
>> >
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