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From: Eileen Horan <>
Subject: Re: [METIS] [Our_Metis_Roots] Alexis FLAMAND or FLAMMAND
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:18:13 -0800
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Hi Stan.
Nothing new to extend to you....
I believe we chatted about this Alexis Flammand dit Flamand last year - the subject being: whether they could be one and the same individual....

Here are my Notes....

Further identified in the March 31st 1901 Manitoba Census:
6 3 50 Flamand Alexis M Head M Feb 12 1851 48
6 4 50 Flamand Marie D. L. F Wife M Aug 16 1858 42
6 5 50 Flamand Marie L. F Daughter S Apr 10 1878 23
6 6 50 Flamand Bruno N. M Son S Sep 25 1879 21
6 7 50 Flamand Octave M Son S Apr 16 1884 16
6 8 50 Flamand Rosale L. F Daughter S Jan 13 1886 15
6 9 50 Flamand Colin D. M Son S Aug 31 1888 12
6 10 50 Flamand Marie A. F Daughter S Sep 14 1890 10
6 11 50 Flamand Cecile A. F Daughter S Dec 11 1892 8
6 12 50 Flamand Victor E. M Son S Apr 3 1898 3
6 13 50 Flamand Elmere A. A. F Daughter S Oct 7 1900 6/12
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Source Information:
1901 Census of Canada
Subdistrict: Portage la Prairie, MACDONALD, MANITOBA
District Number: 8
Subdistrict Number: k-13
Archives Microfilm: T-6433
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Further identified in the 1911 Manitoba Census:
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Manitoba / Marquette / 9
Townships 17 / page 4
Transcribed by: Krystal Tait
3 36 Flamand Alexis M Head M Feb 1853 58
4 36 Flamand Rose F Wife M Aug 1857 54
5 36 Flamand Bruneau M Son S Sep 1880 31
**Also in the Same Household**.....
6 36 Flamand Colin M Son M Aug 1889 22
7 36 Flamand Céleste F Daughter-in-law M May 1891 20
8 36 Flamand Emma F Granddaughter S Nov 1910 6/12
9 36 Flamand Ernestine F Daughter S Dec 1893 18
10 36 Flamand Edmond M Son S Apr 1899 12
11 36 Flamand Elmire F Daughter S Oct 1900 11
12 36 Flamand Aleide M Son S Jun 1904 7
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Further identified in an email from Stan Hulme, Tuesday August 23rd 2011:
I am trying to sort out the family of the subject couple.
The following is taken from "The Land Between The Lakes: R.M. of St. Laurent" page 305:
Flamand, Alexis and Rose
Alexis, son of Antoine "Joseph" and Marguerite nee Lafreniere b. February 17, 1853 in St. François Xavier. He married Marie Rose b. 1859 in North Dakota, daughter of Norbert and Josephine Larence nee Parenteau. They were married on July 17, 1877 in St. Laurent de Grandin, SK.
They had eleven children:
Marie Eulalie b. April 10, 1878 in Duck lake, SK; Joseph Bruno Napoleon b. September 23, 1879 in North Dakota; Rose b. December 30, 1881; Clarisse; Octave b. April 16, 1884 in Qu'Appelle, SK; Rosalie Eleonore b. January 13, 1885; Colin David b. August 30, 1888; Marie Anastasie b. September 13, 1890; Cecile Ernestine b. December 10, 1892 in Ile de Pierres, MB; Victor Edmond b. April 3, 1898; Elmire Angele Elezina b. 1900 in St. Ambroise.
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The foregoing does not agree with the information in Gail Morin's "Metis Families A Genealogical Compendium", Volume 2 pages 283 and 288 which has:
Alexis Flamand b. 17 Feb 1853 St. Francois Xavier (same parents as above) married to Marguerite Gonneville, daughter of Alexis Gonneville and Josephte Trottier.
In this reference there are only two children:
(1) Marie Rose b. 9 Aug 1874 Qu'Appelle, (Saskatchewan) and (2) Josephine b. 21 Feb 1876 Edmonton.
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Both the above children were born before the date of marriage of Alexis and Marie-Rose.
Is it possible there was a second marriage for Alexis or are there two Alexis?
Any guidance is appreciated.
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After receiving your August 23rd 2011 email and my further reading about the Family in the St Laurent book, I merged the two Alexis'... and have him as the same individual within my database

The following is 2 Generations from my Database...
Descendants of Alexis-FLAMMAND FLAMAND



1 Alexis-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: February 12, 1853 in St Francois Xavier Parish District, Red River Settlement (Manitoba) **Date of Birth February 12th 1851 in the 1901 Manitoba Census**... **Date of Birth, February 17th 1853, documented in Metis Families**.... d: Aft. 1911 in Ochre River, Manitoba Father: Antoine Joseph FLAMAND Mother: Marguerite LAFRENIERE

. +Marguerite GONNEVILLE b: June 03, 1849 in St Francois Xavier Parish District where she was baptized, June 8th 1849, in the Parish Church -- [Clarence E. Kipling Research, cited in Metis Families], Red River Settlement (Manitoba) m: November 24, 1873 in the Duck Lake Mission, North West Territories [Saskatchewan] d: Abt. 1877 in North West Territories Father: Alexis-"Alex" GONNEVILLE Mother: Josephte-"Suzette" TROTTIER

.. 2 Marie-Rose-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: August 09, 1874 in Qu'Appelle Valley District, in the North West Territories (Saskatchewan) d: Unknown

...... +Charles CHARBONNEAU b: 1872 in Ste Anne district, Manitoba. He married twice: [i] Marie-Rose FLAMAND in 1893; and [ii] Marie-CANADA HENEAULT in 1913... m: 1893 d: Unknown Father: Lucien CHARBONNEAU Mother: Eulalie NOLIN

.. 2 Josephine FLAMAND b: February 21, 1876 in Edmonton District, North West Territories [Alberta] d: Unknown

*2nd Wife of Alexis-FLAMMAND FLAMAND:

. +Marie-"Rose"-LAURENCE LARENCE b: August 01, 1858 in Pembina District, being baptized August 02nd 1858 at the Assumption Mission, near Pembina, Minnesota Territory (North Dakota) **Date of Birth August 16th 1858 in the 1901 Manitoba Census**... m: July 17, 1877 in the St Laurent des Grandin Mission, near Duck Lake, North West Territories [Saskatchewan} **further identified in the St Laurent Book, p.305**.... d: Aft. 1911 in Ochre River District, Manitoba Father: Norbert-LAURENCE LARENCE Mother: Josephte PARENTEAU

.. 2 Marie-Eulalie-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: April 18, 1878 in Duck Lake district, North West Territories [Saskatchewan] d: Unknown

.. 2 Bruno Napoleon Joseph FLAMAND b: September 25, 1879 in Duck Lake district, North West Territories [Sasaktchewan] d: Unknown

.. 2 Rose "Clarisse" FLAMAND b: December 30, 1881 in Duck Lake District, North West Territories [Saskatchewan] d: Unknown

.. 2 Octave-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: April 16, 1884 in Qu'Appelle district, North West Territories (Saskatchewan) d: Unknown

...... +Cordelia ST GODARD b: 1888 m: Abt. 1907 in Manitoba d: Unknown

.. 2 Rosalie-Eleonore-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: January 13, 1886 in the Rural Municipality of St Laurent, Manitoba d: Unknown

.. 2 Colin-David-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: August 30, 1888 in St Laurent, Manitoba **date of birth August 31st 1888 provied by Laurier Gareau, a descendant**..... d: July 16, 1959 in St Laurent, Manitoba

...... +Celeste DESMARAIS b: May 16, 1891 in Ochre River, MacDonald County, Manitoba **date of birth May 26th 1892 provided by Descendants**.... **Another Date of Birth January 16th 1891 also recorded***.... m: February 10, 1910 in Ochre River, Manitoba **identified in the St Laurent Book, p.196**... d: February 09, 1977 in St Laurent, Manitoba Father: Jean-Junior DESMARAIS Mother: Caroline-HENEAULT-CANADA HENAULT

.. 2 Marie Anastasia FLAMAND b: September 14, 1890 in the Rural Municipality of St Laurent, Manitoba d: Unknown

.. 2 Cecile-Ernestine-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: December 10, 1892 in Portage la Prairie, Manitoba d: Unknown

...... +Maxime DESMARAIS b: February 01, 1890 in the Rural Municipality of Dufferin, Manitoba m: February 05, 1912 in Fort Ellice, near St Lazare, Manitoba d: Unknown Father: Jean-Junior DESMARAIS Mother: Caroline-HENEAULT-CANADA HENAULT

.. 2 Elie-FLAMMAND FLAMAND b: July 30, 1895 in the Rural Municipality of St Laurent, Manitoba d: Unknown

.. 2 Victor "Edmond" FLAMAND b: April 03, 1898 in the Rural Municipality of St Laurent, Manitoba d: Unknown

.. 2 Elmire Angela Alexnia FLAMAND b: October 07, 1900 in St Ambroise, Manitoba d: Unknown

.. 2 Alcide FLAMAND b: June 1904 in the Rural Municipality of St Laurent, Manitoba d: Unknown

Have I made a major error, within my database, due to my merging the two Alexis Flamands ???

Take care,
Eileen




----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Hulme
To: Métis List ; METISGEN ; Our Métis Roots
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:13 PM
Subject: [Our_Metis_Roots] Alexis FLAMAND or FLAMMAND




Hi All
Has anyone worked on the family of Alexis Flamand? I have two:
Alexis Flamand b. 12 Feb 1851 or 1853 (no parents) married Marie-Rose Larence daughter of Norbert Larence and Josephte Parenteau. Alexis and Marie-Rose had 10 children between 1878 and 1904
Alexis Flamand b. 17 Feb 1853, son of Antoine Flamand and Marguerite Lafreniere, married Marguerite Gonneville, daughter of Alexis Gonneville and Josephte Trottier. Alexis and Marguerite had two children - Marie-Rose 1874 and Josephine 1876.
There seems to be a number of references that have the two Alexis as the same person who married both Marguerite Lafreniere and Marie-Rose Larence. I have not been able to verify this.
Does anyone have any information that might help?
Take care
Stan

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