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From: J D v Dods <>
Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] The LOTHIANS
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <005e01c7e057$0bc142e0$aa7ef2d0@gordoneyz72m3j>


Hi Gordon,
I honestly think the American experence with the
numerious boundry changes of Counties, States and
territories, has more to the do with the rapid
expansion westward of white american settlement, than
anything else
As far as I understand boundry changes in the UK were
less frequent and not as widespread.
I haven't read all the posts to this thread, and so
may be repeating what others have said.
Lothian is supposed to be named after some legendary
Ancient British King, Loth.
Lothian was certainly used for the area when it was
part of the Anglic Kingdon of Northumbria.
At sometime persumably in the middle to late middle
ages, the Shire of Lothian was divided into three.
These Shires became Counties, and English practice of
naming Counties after the County Seats came into
vogue, along with calling Scotland, North Britian.
I suspect the locals would have tended to call the
place by the old names not the new fangled Southron
version.
cheers
John

--- Gordon Crooks <> wrote:

> MOIRA AND OTHERS I HAVE BEEN READING THE VARIOUS E
> MAIL ON THE SUBJECT OF
> BOUNDARIES ETC. THIS WAS QUITE COMMON AND DONE EVERY
> WHERES. EXAMPLE
> ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A LANCASTER CO. IN
> PENNSYLVANIA, THEN PART OF IT BECAME
> CUMBERLAND COUNTY, THEN IT WAS SPLIT AGAIN AND THREE
> MORE COUNTIES WERE
> FORMED OUT OF IT YORK, ADAMS AND FRANKLIN COUNTIES,
> THIS IN TURN SCATTERED
> THE RECORDS ALL OVER THE LANDSCAPE.
>
> GORDON CROOKS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moira Bue" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [MIDLOTHIAN] The LOTHIANS
>
>
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Peter Fairholm"
> <>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: [MIDLOTHIAN] The LOTHIANS
> >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:26:25 +0100
> >>
> >>
> > ....It is surprising that there is little
> information on the origins of
> > Midlothian. Although we know that Westminster
> decreed that the county was
> > Edinburghshire and defined the administrative
> boundaries, we have to
> > wonder why the locals referred to it as
> Midlothian. The cover for the
> > census data for this area refers to Edinburghshire
> as the county; on the
> > other hand the enumerators, or maybe the
> individuals themselves?, refer to
> > the county of birth as Midlothian unless born
> within the town boundaries
> > when Edinburgh is used. I wonder if the church and
> parish districts had
> > anything to do with this? It is also interesting
> to note that enumerators
> > in other counties referred to the county as
> Edinburgh seeming to indicate
> > it was a local usage. This appears to be the case
> for all the 1841-1901
> > censuses.
> > If we are doing family history we have to
> understand that people
> > indicated that they came from Midlothian despite
> what Westminster said! I
> > would be very interested in any ancient references
> to Midlothian.
> >
> > moira
> >
> >
> >> Moira.
> >> Since your posting on July 13th, I have made some
> further attempts
> >> to trace the origins of the names for the three
> Lothian counties,
> >> and Edinburghshire, and the County of Edinburgh,
> etc. It seems
> >> that they go back a long way. I have found
> references to an
> >> ancient kingdom of Lothene, and modern diagrams
> depicting varying
> >> boundaries for a Lothian kingdom over several
> centuries. But
> >> nothing as specific as the details for
> Edinburghshire that John
> >> Stevenson mentioned.
> >>
> >> It may take some time therefore, but I will let
> you know if and
> >> when I get a result.
> >>
> >> Peter, South Yorkshire, England.
> >>
> >
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HAYTON in Yorkshire
HEWAT in East Lothian
LAMONT in Lanarkshire
LEGGAT in Monreal
MCLEAN in Argyllshire
RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire
SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal
SHIRREFF in East Lothian
SNELL in California, Oregeon
SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire
TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian
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