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Subject: JOHN BARRY
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:25:52 EDT

Thank you! If John Barry died there, would there be a local record? How
would I go about checking those 3 listing you gave for Ireland? Also how would I
check on if "Morris" is my Maurice? I do know his sister Catherine names one
son Morris Parnell. If Morris was married there and his wife died there where
would I look for such records. What about the sister Mary marrying? Is there
an office to write to for such things?
Renee


In a message dated 4/20/2006 7:03:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Dear Renee

You may find it worth asking the Monmouthshire list too.
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/MONMOUTHSHIRE.html
See also: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsmon/

In both 1851 and 1861 censuses, John Barry was listed in the parish of
Trevethin (not Treverhin). In 1851 he was in Sowhill which was in the
town of Pontypool and had a fair-sized Irish community. My grandmother
Mary HARRIS was born in Sowhill in 1865 and is listed there with her
Cork-born parents in 1871.

The birthplace in County Cork may be the civil parish of Lislee,
Clonakilty Poor Law Union, in the southwestern part of County Cork. The
Roman Catholic parish is also known as Barryroe. Although this is a
reasonable guess for the birthplace, it might instead be Lisleagh.
There are two townlands of that name in the eastern part of Co Cork.
The census entry looks more like Lisleagh but the spelling of Irish
placenames wasn't standardized at that time and I think the parish now
spelled Lislee is most likely.

Catherine was born in Caerleon near Newport, Mon.

Maurice Barry was probably still in Monmouthshire in 1871. There's a 25
year-old Irish-born widower named "Morris" Barry lodging with a John
Lynch in Abersychan. That's only a few miles north of Pontypool and
also in the parish of Trevethin.

I'll see if I can find your "missing" 1870 Pennsylvania census but
haven't done so yet.

Best wishes,

Sean

--- (Renee McCommons of Butler PA) wrote:

>
> Hello,
> I'm looking for a record of death for a JOHN BARRY who was
> on the
> 1851 and 1861 Wales censuses. Age 40 in 1851 Trevethin
> Monmouthshire, and Age
> 55 in 1861 Trevethin, Pontypool, Monmouthshire. In 1851 it lists a
> street and
> says near Wesleyan chapel or something like that. I can't read the
> street.
> Its Towhills or Towlis or something like that. It says John, his
> wife Margaret
> (32 in 1851, 46 in 1861) and their 2 sons John and Maurice were born
> in Cork
> Ireland. Looks like Leeslee, or Lasleeg Loslees??? The 2 daughters
> were born,
> (Catron) Catherine in Monmouth Carlon ???, and Mary in Monmouth
> Pontypool.
> It appears Catherine was 3 in 1851, and 12 in 1861. Mary was 9 in
> 1861. It
> appears they left Ireland and went to Wales about 1845 to 1848ish?.
> I have a
> 1870 census for Elk county PA that has Catherine 21 and her husband
> Thomas
> Hurley 26 and their son John Hurley age 2(he was born in Wales) and
> also had her
> brother John 26 and Mother Margaret 50 with them. I am having a
> problem
> locating the census again on Ancestry.com. I can only pull up
> Millstone Elk county
> PA and nothing else. I am quite frustrated since I was able to
> obtain it
> before and now can't. Because I thought I could access it anytime I
> did not save
> it previously and now can't get it!! It lists Margaret as a widow
> in August
> 1870 so between 1861 and 1870 John appears to have died, and
> Margaret and
> son John then immigrated with Catherine and her husband Thomas.
> Maybe the elder
> John Barry came with them but died on ship? Is this a feasible
> possibility?
> I have not been able to find any immigration records for any of them
> and I've
> been looking for about 4 years. Someone had given me some info on
> the
> brother Maurice before, but I can't seem to locate it. I never had
> anything on
> Mary, if she married or died? After the 1870 PA census I can nt find
> John the son
> and Margaret anywhere. I thought they were in Philiadelphia area,
> but it
> turns out it wasn't them. I thought they's stay in the area with
> Catherine, who
> was in East Deer Allegheny county PA in 1880. Anyway if anyone can
> help or
> send me in the right direction with any of this I'd be eternally
> greatful.



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