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From: "Howard Geddes" <>
Subject: Re: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:10:31 -0000
References: <F115ITwJIxZgoU30pII000076eb@hotmail.com>


The story ain't over yet!

Whilst I wouldn't gainsay for a moment what George Watt says, below is what
the 1881 CD has for 128-A, dist 1, page 11, in the order presented (I've
only included the head of household to save space), with a note of pages 10
and 12. It seems reasonable to suppose all places are in close proximity,
since the sequence reflects the route of the enumerator.

Also, the Berryleys on the Craigellachie/Dufftown road is in Mortlach parish
and appears in the 1881 census in Volume 162 EnumDist 3 Page 3,
between Burnhead and Gallowslack, near Wardhead and Parkneuk - and I can see
its location clearly.

Clearly, in 1881, there are two distinct locations known as Berryleys: one
in Boharm and one in Mortlach. I would presume the Boharm Berryleys also
existed in 1812 (cf Judy's OPR quote) and disappeared sometime after 1881.

Dwelling: Fountainhead Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
EnumDist 1 Page 11
Helen LAWSON W 67 F Mortlach, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Cotter
Dwelling: Fountainhead Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
EnumDist 1 Page 11
John LAWSON M 36 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Crofter
Dwelling: Hill Lands Of Auchmadies Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland
Volume 128-A EnumDist 1 Page 11
James MC LEAN M 72 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer of 16
Acres Arable
[Auchmadies itself in on 128-A 1 9 - with a large Watt contingent!]
Dwelling: Berryleys Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
EnumDist 1 Page 11
James REID M 46 M Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Crofter &
Labourer
Dwelling: Berryleys Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
EnumDist 1 Page 11
Lewis MC LEAN M 38 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farm Servant
Dwelling: Cruach Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
EnumDist 1 Page 11
William RIACH M 54 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland
Building: Cruach UNINHABITED Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume
128-A EnumDist 1 Page 11
Dwelling: Cruach Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
EnumDist 1 Page 11
Jane HAY W 64 F Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Cotter

The following page 12 lists Bridge of Fiddoch, Belnajarrow [sic], and
Cruach.
The preceding page 10 has Coldhome, Newfield, and Rottenmoss.

It just goes to show!

Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Watt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"


> Hi to everyone that has responded to this query and all appear to home in
on
> the same farm which is near Buchromb House! I described it as being
located
> in Banffshire on the west side of the road that runs north from Dufftown
to
> Craigellachie - a distance of approximately 5 miles. I used to live on the
> farm in the parish of Boharm called Belnagarrow (next to Auchmadies)and to
> the best of my knowledge, there is no farm named Berryleys there. I
checked
> the Fiche version of the OPR Index for Moray and Banffshire yesterday at
the
> LDS library and although there is an IGI entry, I could not find the
actual
> OPR record of a baptism for Benjamin Davidson in 1812. I will however
double
> check it next week.
>
> George Watt - Ottawa, Canada.
>
> BTW - The saying about Belnagarrow is - that it is ill tae ploo' and a
dam'd
> sight war' tae harra'!
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Ed Barron <>
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
> >Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:54:03 +1100
> >
> >At 10:00 PM 7/01/2003, you wrote:
> >>At 10:02 PM 6/01/2003, you wrote:
> >>>According to 1881 census, there are several Berryleys etc, but yours is
> >>>most
> >>>likely the Berryleys in Boharm. According to my rather vague map, it
must
> >>>be
> >>>or must have been just off the main A95 midway between Mulben and
> >>>Craigellachie, between Cruch and Auchmadies.
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Bruce & Judy Meibusch" <>
> >>>To: <>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:12 PM
> >>>Subject: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > I have a baptismal record in Boharm parish for Benjamen DAVIDSON
> >>>baptised
> >>>26/Sept 1812 Father James Davidson in "Berrilys"
> >>> > Other childrens entries have "Berrylees."
> >>> >
> >>> > Can anyone enlighten me as to where this might have been?
> >>> >
> >>> > Judy
> >>> > Qld
> >>
> >>Try
> >>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=346200&Y=852790&A=Y&Z=4
> >
> >
> >As you were! I have found another Berrylees in an older map, this time in
> >the correct area - it is not shown in the modern Streetmap map.
> >
> >If you go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.htm and enter the
coordinates
> >331340, 841700 in the Search box, click in Co-ordinate then Search. You
> >will the be given three choices - choose the Banffshire one. Berrylees
> >will be in the centre of this old 1872 map, and if you click on Enlarged
> >view, you will get a larger map to move around.
> >
> >The same area to day is at
> >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=331340&Y=841700&A=Y&Z=4
> >
> > The arrow head is around the centre of the Berrylees farm/croft
> >buildings as shown in the old map.
> >
> >I did check the modern Pathfinder 1:25,000 map (No. 180) and the name
> >Berrylees appears in the same area. It appears to be a couple of small
> >buildings at the end of a track which winds in a southwesterly direction
> >from the farm called Wardhead
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Ed Barron <>
> >
> >
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