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From: "George Watt" <>
Subject: Re: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:55:42 -0500


Thank you Howard for transcribing the entries of the 1881 Census around the
elusive Berryleys in Boharm.
As you suggested that the dwelling may have disappeared after 1881, it may
have been "overun" by the Forestry Commision many years ago and and recall
that it was extensively cut down during WW II.
When all else fails, the only solution is to call up the Old Maps at
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.htm and search the suspect area frame by
frame. I have just completed the search and found the Berryleys that Judy in
OZ has been inquiring about. Believe it or not, it WAS located no more than
4 or 5 hundred yards north west of my old home - Belnagarrow! It can be
readily accessed by going to the above website and keying in the
co-ordinates 331669,847557 in the Search Box and the Co-ordinate radio
button and Berryleys should appear in the centre of the frame. Enlarge the
frame by going to No. 2 - move the frame over slightly to the right and
Belnagarrow should appear. You will also see on the map above Belnagarrow
the Mill Lead. The remnants of the sluice from the mill dam to allow the
water to drive the Belnagarrow mill can still be seen to this very day.
You can get one of the best views in upper Banffshire up the Spey Valley
towards Ben Rinnes and the Fiddich Valley towards Dufftown together with the
Buck in the Cabrach in the distance.

Regards to all who participated in this exchange and good luck with your
research Judy! Enjoy your visit???

George Watt, Ottawa, Canada

>From: "Howard Geddes" <>
>To: "Moray List" <>,"George Watt" <>
>Subject: Re: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:10:31 -0000
>
>The story ain't over yet!
>
>Whilst I wouldn't gainsay for a moment what George Watt says, below is what
>the 1881 CD has for 128-A, dist 1, page 11, in the order presented (I've
>only included the head of household to save space), with a note of pages 10
>and 12. It seems reasonable to suppose all places are in close proximity,
>since the sequence reflects the route of the enumerator.
>
>Also, the Berryleys on the Craigellachie/Dufftown road is in Mortlach
>parish
>and appears in the 1881 census in Volume 162 EnumDist 3 Page 3,
>between Burnhead and Gallowslack, near Wardhead and Parkneuk - and I can
>see
>its location clearly.
>
>Clearly, in 1881, there are two distinct locations known as Berryleys: one
>in Boharm and one in Mortlach. I would presume the Boharm Berryleys also
>existed in 1812 (cf Judy's OPR quote) and disappeared sometime after 1881.
>
>Dwelling: Fountainhead Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
>EnumDist 1 Page 11
> Helen LAWSON W 67 F Mortlach, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Cotter
>Dwelling: Fountainhead Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
>EnumDist 1 Page 11
> John LAWSON M 36 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Crofter
>Dwelling: Hill Lands Of Auchmadies Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland
>Volume 128-A EnumDist 1 Page 11
> James MC LEAN M 72 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer of
>16
>Acres Arable
> [Auchmadies itself in on 128-A 1 9 - with a large Watt contingent!]
>Dwelling: Berryleys Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
>EnumDist 1 Page 11
> James REID M 46 M Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Crofter &
>Labourer
>Dwelling: Berryleys Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
>EnumDist 1 Page 11
> Lewis MC LEAN M 38 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farm Servant
>Dwelling: Cruach Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
>EnumDist 1 Page 11
> William RIACH M 54 M Boharm, Banff, Scotland
>Building: Cruach UNINHABITED Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland
>Volume
>128-A EnumDist 1 Page 11
>Dwelling: Cruach Census Place: Boharm, Elgin, Scotland Volume 128-A
>EnumDist 1 Page 11
> Jane HAY W 64 F Boharm, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Cotter
>
>The following page 12 lists Bridge of Fiddoch, Belnajarrow [sic], and
>Cruach.
>The preceding page 10 has Coldhome, Newfield, and Rottenmoss.
>
>It just goes to show!
>
>Howard
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George Watt" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
>
>
> > Hi to everyone that has responded to this query and all appear to home
>in
>on
> > the same farm which is near Buchromb House! I described it as being
>located
> > in Banffshire on the west side of the road that runs north from Dufftown
>to
> > Craigellachie - a distance of approximately 5 miles. I used to live on
>the
> > farm in the parish of Boharm called Belnagarrow (next to Auchmadies)and
>to
> > the best of my knowledge, there is no farm named Berryleys there. I
>checked
> > the Fiche version of the OPR Index for Moray and Banffshire yesterday at
>the
> > LDS library and although there is an IGI entry, I could not find the
>actual
> > OPR record of a baptism for Benjamin Davidson in 1812. I will however
>double
> > check it next week.
> >
> > George Watt - Ottawa, Canada.
> >
> > BTW - The saying about Belnagarrow is - that it is ill tae ploo' and a
>dam'd
> > sight war' tae harra'!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Ed Barron <>
> > >Reply-To:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
> > >Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:54:03 +1100
> > >
> > >At 10:00 PM 7/01/2003, you wrote:
> > >>At 10:02 PM 6/01/2003, you wrote:
> > >>>According to 1881 census, there are several Berryleys etc, but yours
>is
> > >>>most
> > >>>likely the Berryleys in Boharm. According to my rather vague map, it
>must
> > >>>be
> > >>>or must have been just off the main A95 midway between Mulben and
> > >>>Craigellachie, between Cruch and Auchmadies.
> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>From: "Bruce & Judy Meibusch" <>
> > >>>To: <>
> > >>>Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:12 PM
> > >>>Subject: [MORAY] "Berrylees" "Berrilys"
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > I have a baptismal record in Boharm parish for Benjamen DAVIDSON
> > >>>baptised
> > >>>26/Sept 1812 Father James Davidson in "Berrilys"
> > >>> > Other childrens entries have "Berrylees."
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Can anyone enlighten me as to where this might have been?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Judy
> > >>> > Qld
> > >>
> > >>Try
> > >>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=346200&Y=852790&A=Y&Z=4
> > >
> > >
> > >As you were! I have found another Berrylees in an older map, this time
>in
> > >the correct area - it is not shown in the modern Streetmap map.
> > >
> > >If you go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.htm and enter the
>coordinates
> > >331340, 841700 in the Search box, click in Co-ordinate then Search.
>You
> > >will the be given three choices - choose the Banffshire one. Berrylees
> > >will be in the centre of this old 1872 map, and if you click on
>Enlarged
> > >view, you will get a larger map to move around.
> > >
> > >The same area to day is at
> > >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=331340&Y=841700&A=Y&Z=4
> > >
> > > The arrow head is around the centre of the Berrylees farm/croft
> > >buildings as shown in the old map.
> > >
> > >I did check the modern Pathfinder 1:25,000 map (No. 180) and the name
> > >Berrylees appears in the same area. It appears to be a couple of small
> > >buildings at the end of a track which winds in a southwesterly
>direction
> > >from the farm called Wardhead
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Ed Barron <>
> > >
> > >
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