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From: "GORDON MUSKER" <>
Subject: [MUSKER] Des Jardins
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:46:29 -0000
References: <929827.77381.qm@web87109.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


Dave,

Do you know if your Aunt June's married name is "Des Jardins"?

Regards

Gordon


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Musker" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MUSKER] Melling Musker


> Thanks Nora.
> I am not sure where the random symbols are being introduced. I have
> checked my "sent messages" box and they don't appear in the original
> message, or indeed in any other messages which I have sent. This is the
> first time that I have been made aware of the problem. I have typed this
> in plain black script in the hope that this will help.
> Thanks for the information. Unfortunately I do not have any elderly
> relatives on the Musker side who I can contact.The oldest survivor is my
> aunt June (b.1935) but I am no longer in touch with her.
> Regards, Dave.
>
> --- On Thu, 27/11/08, Nora Agnes Kevan <> wrote:
>
> From: Nora Agnes Kevan <>
> Subject: Re: [MUSKER] Melling Musker
> To:
> Date: Thursday, 27 November, 2008, 5:36 AM
>
> Dear Dave
> First, why do all your messages have A with a circumflex over it scattered
> through them? It is very confusing because I use a program that has a
> voice
> to read the screen!
> Regarding the parents of the James Musker who married Mary Eatom, Lee and
> I
> spent a long time trying to find where he fits in the Musker tree. Perhaps
> you will have more success. It is possible that amongst you elderly
> relatives there is one who remembers what her grandmother told her. I say
> her, as in my experience it is the old ladies who remember family stories
> from way back. I suggest you write to everyone you can asking for any
> scraps of family lore!
>
> Traditional the English naming pattern in the past was similar to the
> Scottish one where the eldest son is named after his father's father, and
> the second son after the mother's father, then the third son is named
> after
>
> the father.For the daughters it was the opposite. However the English
> mothers often missed out perhaps they were not as strong minded as their
> Scottish neighbours.
> Looking at James & Mary's sons, Thomas, James and George, Mary
> Eaton's
> father was a George so that seems to indicate that James father was
> Thomas!,
> However son Thomas appears to gave gone against tradition and named his
> eldest son John, (perhaps after his wife's father whose name we do not
> know.His second son Thomas after himself and his third after his maternal
> grandfather. Does this mean he had quarrelled with his father?
>
> I hope you are able to get back a little further and will share your
> discoveries with us. In the meantime I am sending you a separate message
> with the Eaton family tree,. Unfortunately I have lost touch with the
> family
> who sent it to me.
>
> Regards, Nora
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Musker" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [MUSKER] Melling Musker
>
>
> Dear Gordon and Nora.
> I am sorry if I am taking you off at a tangent, but I am new to this
> research.
>>From what I have gathered so far,my Great Grandfather was George Musker
> (milk salesman) from the Walton area. My Grandfather was, I know, Thomas
> Musker.
> I remember my father (George John James Musker) telling me that his
> father
> Thomas lived in Lilly Grove, Walton - which is very close to St. Mary's
> Lane. I wonder if there is a close relationship between him,or his
> fatherÂ
> and Melling Musker ?
> Best wishes
> David.
> Â Â
>
> --- On Thu, 20/11/08, GORDON MUSKER <> wrote:
>
> From: GORDON MUSKER <>
> Subject: Re: [MUSKER] Melling Musker
> To:
> Date: Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 7:52 AM
>
> Dear Nora,
> I'm not sure that my first version of this was sent correctly so here's
> a
> repeat.
>
> Yes, you're correct. Ann was married to Henry Allen in 1866:-
>
> Name: Henry Allen
> Year of Registration: 1866
> Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
> District: West Derby
> County: Lancashire
> Volume: 8b
> Page: 840
>
> Name: Ann Musker
> Year of Registration: 1866
> Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
> District: West Derby
> County: Lancashire
> Volume: 8b
> Page: 840
>
> Regards
>
>
> Gordon
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nora Agnes Kevan" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MUSKER] Melling Musker
>>
>>
>>> Hello Gordon
>>> We also have Ann Allen nee Musker in 1881
>>> 1881 CENSUS 15 St Marys Lane: Walton On Hill, Lancashire, England
>>>
>>> Source FHL Film 1341883 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3687 Folio 78 Page 23
>>>
>>> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
>>>
>>> Ann ALLEN M 35 F Walton, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Captains
> Wife
>>>
>>> Mary ALLEN U 14 F Walton, Lancashire, England Rel: Dau
>>>
>>> Henry ALLEN U 13 M Walton, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
>>>
>>> Thomas ALLEN U 9 M Walton, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
>>>
>>> James ALLEN U 6 M Walton, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
>>>
>>> Frederick ALLEN U 4 M Walton, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ:
> Scholar
>>>
>>> Henry WILCKE W 42 M Germany Rel: Lodger Occ: Mechanical Engineer
>>>
>>> It would be interesting if anyone could find her marriage so ad to
>>> ascertain
>>> her husband's name. It might be 1866 Q2 0 West Derby 840. 8b It
> looks as
>>> though he was at sea in the 1871 and 1881 . Has anyone access to the
> 1991
>>> and or 1901. I cannot look them up for myself.
>>>
>>> Regards, Nora
>>>
>>> ,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "GORDON MUSKER" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:22 AM
>>> Subject: [MUSKER] Melling Musker
>>>
>>>
>>> For anyone who is working on the Melling Musker branch and wonders
> where
>>> he
>>> was in 1871, I've found him transcribed from the 1871 census as
> Melling
>>> Ancker living with his married sister, Ann.
>>> I've checked the original and the Ancker IS Musker
>>>
>>>
>>> 1871 England Census
>>> Melling Ancker in the transcript but Musker in the original.
>>> Name: Melling Musker
>>> Age: 27
>>> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
>>> Relation: Brother
>>> Gender: Male
>>> Where born: Walton, Lancashire, England
>>> Civil Parish: Walton On The Hill
>>> Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
>>> County/Island: Lancashire
>>> Country: England
>>> Street address: St Mary's Lane
>>> Occupation: Mariner
>>> Condition as to marriage: Single
>>> Registration district: West Derby
>>> Sub registration district: Walton
>>> Household Members:
>>> Name Age
>>> Ann Allen 25 Head Married
>>> Mary Allen 4
>>> Harry Allen 3
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>> Melling Musker 27 brother
>>> Edward Musker 14 brother
>>> Mary Musker 17 sister
>>> Fanny Musker 11 sister
>>> Martha Musker 12 sister
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>>
>>>
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