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From: Tabitha Holmes <>
Subject: RE: [Melungeon] Inquiry/ sweats and such
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:01:18 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <01C08C76.3DB55F20.tecumseh@ioip.com>


Well tabitha and I are smokers.
The best kind is natural pipe tobacco.
Most any will do. Sometimes I leave my priest a cartoon of cigarettes.
:) Pot is not sacred to the native people. Nor do they smoke it in
their pipes. The point of it is to be generous because they are giving
you knowledge and you are giving something in return.
That has been every tribal custom. Generousity is the quickest way
into the native community as long as it is done from a point of
equality and not from "white mans burden" I know that wouldnt be
anyones intention on here but thats just to the native sensitivity from
the missionaries and government treatment.







--- "Elizabeth G. Brett" <> wrote:
> Actually, I use tobacco as a pesticide in my garden (cigar
> butts)...never
> heard of using pot...but maybe it works. I just wouldn't want to get
> my
> house seized by ATF.
>
> Marijuana is useful for glaucoma, controlling seizures not responding
> to
> commercial pharmaceuticals and for curbing the severe nausea of AIDS
> and
> Cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy.
>
> Tobacco can clean wounds, draw out poisons from bee stings and
> possibly
> snake bite (only on your way to the hospital please!) and I have
> successfully used tobacco to treat my asthma because I respond badly
> to the
> chemicals in the inhalers. I am NOT a smoker...so this works for me
> as I
> have only occasional asthma and might only puff on clean tobacco once
> or
> twice a month.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:Lisa R. Ellis [SMTP:]
> Sent:Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:00 PM
> To:
> Subject:Re: [Melungeon] Inquiry/ sweats and such
>
> this brings up a question for me, that i know that i heard, but i am
> getting the cultures mixed up i think... i know that green stands for
> growth and fertility-at least i think it does, or maybe, they colors
> are
> not significant here, but they seem to be.. what do the black, white,
> red,
> green, yellows stand for in these cases? and, do all tribes commonly
> believe that these colors stand for the same thing, or is it
> different for
> each tribe?? also, i know that marijuana is used for insecticide, and
> glaucoma... but what other medicinal uses are tobacco used for?? i
> know i
> should know this question, but, maybe because of the chronic abuse
> and many
> many illnesses in my family because of tobacco, i think i am blocking
> out
> any "good" that tobacco could have.... i am not a marijuana smoker,
> but
> because of it's far more useful medicinal options, i would think that
> native americans would be more appreciative of that, then the
> tobacco.....
>
> Tabitha Holmes wrote:
>
> > Well, said Joe!!! This stuff is very important :) -Tabitha
> >
> > --- Joe Showalter <> wrote:
> > > Tabitha and Clint already answered this question very well, I'm
> not
> > > going to
> > > try to improve on it. I would only like to emphasize respect, as
> > > Tabitha
> > > and Clint pointed out, show respect for everyone especially
> elders.
> > > If you
> > > get invited to Sweat Lodge be sure and thank the person who
> invited
> > > you (and
> > > lay down tobacco) it's a great honor. The tribes here are Odawa
> and
> > > Ojibwa
> > > and I am neither so I am very grateful for an invitation. I
> always
> > > tie up
> > > tobacco in yellow, red, black and white cotton cloth to show my
> > > gratitude
> > > and respect for person that invited me as well as the four
> > > directions. If
> > > you have never participated in a ceremony, but have read all
> about
> > > it, don't
> > > pretend to know what's going on. Be like a child and learn;
> watch
> > > and
> > > listen. Of course when the door of the Sweat Lodge closes you
> won't
> > > have
> > > the ability to see anything let alone watch it, but there will be
> a
> > > lot to
> > > listen to. One last thing; if you have an appointment or you
> made
> > > arrangements for right after the Sweat, don't even bother going.
> It
> > > ain't
> > > like church, starts at 9:30 over at 11:00 and dinner at 12:30.
> > > Things
> > > happen as they should, and everything happens for a reason.
> > >
> > > Until just about six months ago, white folks weren't allowed to
> go to
> > > Sweats
> > > here. Now they can go if they are in the family, like a husband
> or
> > > wife. I
> > > like the change of rules because my two best friends are married
> to
> > > each
> > > other and Ben is not Indian and Silvia is. She is Mexican Indian
> and
> > > I was
> > > going to tell you what tribe but now I can't remember. Let me
> tell
> > > you,
> > > it's not the legs that are the first to go. Anyway Ben was set
> to go
> > > to his
> > > first Sweat and was pretty excited but the night before, Silvia
> > > started her
> > > period early. But that was ok, because Ben could still go with
> me.
> > > I
> > > started out that morning, I have to travel 50 miles to Ben and
> > > Silvia's
> > > house and then another 30 miles to the Sweat Lodge, and I blew a
> > > radiator
> > > hose less than a mile from home. Ben didn't get to go. Things
> > > happen as
> > > they should, and everything happens for a reason. We don't
> always
> > > know why.
> > >
> > > Peace --Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:26 PM
> > > Subject: [Melungeon] Inquiry
> > >
> > >
> > > >For you knowledgeable American Indian types on the list. Could
> you
> > > please
> > > tell me in today's world what are: Pow Wow's, Sweat Lodges, how
> are
> > > you
> > > named an Indian name, and how, by who? Can outsiders attend any
> of
> > > their
> > > functions without being shunned? Do
> > > >you have to have a sponsor?
> > > >
> > > >Roger
> > > >
> > > >
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