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From: "Donalyn Snelling" <>
Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Melungeon DNA Study Results
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:46:27 +0000


Hi Tim,

Can you give me a hint as to what families you find back to 1607 and maybe
going forward to 1660? Inquiring minds don't want to have to wait for your
book.

Cheers,
Donalyn Barniro Snelling


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>To:
>Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Melungeon DNA Study Results
>Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:42:12 EDT
>
>I oppose very strongly the definitions of "hard liner". I have always
>acknowledged that Melungeons are capable of having multiple ethnic DNA.
>But
>I maintain that Melungeons ORIGINATED in the early to mid 17th century in
>tidewater Virginia as northern Europeans intermarried with West Africans
>and
>native Americans of the Atlantic seaboard of the eastern US. I have
>repeatedly and constantly said that Turks, Portuguese, Spaniards, or anyone
>else under the sun could have LATER merged with these Melungeon ancestors.
>If I am being lumped as a "hard liner" I protest.
>
>Furthermore, reading the groundless conjecture in this AP story about Santa
>Elena I must take issue with such comments as "I can honestly say I would
>not
>change anything in the article except for including that the females that
>were in those Spanish colonies must have contributed to the mix." There
>remains absolutely positively NO direct genealogical or DNA descent between
>an individual of Santa Elena or other pre 1607 Spanish colony and a single
>Melungeon.
>
>Furthermore I would like Dennis to clarify what he means when he talks
>about
>hardliners and "about Melungeon origins." What time span does he mean by
>"origins"? Does he mean a general time before 1800 during which Melungeons
>originated, or does he mean before 1607? I most strongly disagree that
>anyone other than American Indian ancestors of Melungeons lived in Virginia
>or the surrounding area before the Jamestown settlement in 1607. The only
>extremely remote possibility of such non-Indian intermarriage prior to
>Jamestown are the English survivors of Roanoke and I believe I effectively
>rule out that possibility in my new research.
>
>Tim Hashaw
>
>In a message dated 6/20/02 1:15:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
>
> > I believe the hard-liners are the ones who deny that there were
>Euro-Asians
> > on the northern continent before the Anglo-Irish arrived. The ones that
> > deny the Melungeons existence before 1604.
> > EdrieAnne
> >
> > > Hello Dennis - Please elaborate as to who the hard-liners are that Mr.
> > > Winkler mentioned to you privately. Does he mean the Newmans
> > Ridge/Hancock
> > > Co. people who claim the name Melungeon as theirs alone? Or is there
> > another
> > > hard-line group re: Melungeon origins. Thanks you. Rick
>
>
> > I have yet to put aside the time to read everything more thoroughly,
> > but it appears--at first glance--that all of us were "right"--those
> > who believe the Melungeons are tri-racial (white, Black, Indian), as
> > well as those who believe there is additional Mediterranean (Turkish)
> > and other eastern (Indian, as in from India) ancestry!
>
>It was never an either/or situation. As Wayne Winkler remarked to me
>privately, the only people left out in the cold by the DNA results are the
>hard-liners with
> > I have yet to put aside the time to read everything more thoroughly,
> > but it appears--at first glance--that all of us were "right"--those
> > who believe the Melungeons are tri-racial (white, Black, Indian), as
> > well as those who believe there is additional Mediterranean (Turkish)
> > and other eastern (Indian, as in from India) ancestry!
>
>It was never an either/or situation. As Wayne Winkler remarked to me
>privately, the only people left out in the cold by the DNA results are the
>hard-liners with really narrow ideas about Melungeon origins.
>
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