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From: Barbara Ellison <>
Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: DNA website I found
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:54:49 -0500
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No, that the word Melungeon comes from the word melange, which does mean
mixed, is a theory, but it does make sense, since we do know that Melungeon
is not a race itself..So what else could it mean other than mixed race?
Those who called the original people melungeon didn't know what their
bloodlines were, and neither did the ones being called melungeon as far as I
know...If the original ones were Portuguese, then that's what they were...If
they were Portuguese and African, then they were mixed race...If they were
Portuguese, Indian and African, they were mixed race....
What is your theory of what they were?
I know nothing about Vardy Collins, but I know some about some Collins, and
they are mixed race Indian/African and white...
Have a safe trip...
B.E.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Elder" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Melungeon] Re: DNA website I found


> Hi B.E. -
>
> I don't think it is proved that the word "Melungeon" means a mixture of
> races but if you can point to the evidence that proves it I'll gladly take
a
> look. Would LOVE to take a look! <G>)
>
> Until someone can prove what made Vardy Collins a Melungeon then we can
not
> use DNA testing to prove or disprove whether he was or wasn't a Melungeon.
> Extant evidence and family traditions indicate Vardy was from a North
> American Indian family. There isn't enough evidence to know whether or not
> he was mixed, if "a mixture of races" is how you personally define
> Melungeon.
>
> Hate to bow out but we will be in Sneedville all weekend and I'll be away
> from the computer. Gotta get my beauty rest. <G> Hope to see many of you
> there.
>
> Best wishes,
> Pat Elder
> "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better
> for it." Abraham Lincoln
>
> http://ContinuityPress.com - Specializing in Melungeons,
> Appalachian/Cumberland, Jackson County Tennessee, and Civil War Genealogy
> and History Books
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Ellison [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:21 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: DNA website I found
>
>
> I am following what you have said, and agreeing all the way up to where
you
> said:
> "they still can't tell where his Melungeon genes
> > came from."
> What would be a Melungeon gene? Melungeon isn't a race, it's a mixture of
> races...So do you mean finding where his line went from being one race to
> mixed?
> B.E.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Elder" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [Melungeon] Re: DNA website I found
>
>
> > Kathy - in forensics, the test shows whether the person's DNA is
> consistent
> > or not consistent between two known people. Like in an illegitimacy
trial,
> > it shows that a baby's DNA is consistent or not consistent with the DNA
of
> > the named father. When consistent, the probabilities are so high for a
> case
> > of paternity that the piece of evidence is used to prove the likelihood
of
> > paternity.
> >
> > In forensics, DNA testing is limited to proving or disproving between
two
> > DNA samples from two known people or at least two samples whose history
is
> > known. In that sense, it is individual to individual but that's not what
> the
> > so-called Melungeon DNA testing is doing or the Daughters of Eve thing
> > either.
> >
> > If ten men who claimed kin to Vardy Collins, for example, got together
and
> > had their Y-chromosome DNA tested and compared, it would show that they
> > either were or were not kin to each other. If they have the
documentation
> to
> > show their descent from Vardy plus the DNA evidence, then it is almost
for
> > sure they are related to Vardy, but perhaps they all come from Vardy's
> > brother instead of Vardy. It still wouldn't show whether they were
lineal
> > descendants of Vardy but lineal descendants of a common Collins
ancestor.
> In
> > so-called Melungeon research, the problem is, until they also know where
> > Vardy's Melungeoness began, they still can't tell where his Melungeon
> genes
> > came from.
> >
> > I used Vardy Collins as an example since I think (I hope) most people
> agree
> > that Vardy was a Melungeon.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Pat Elder
> > "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the
better
> > for it." Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > http://ContinuityPress.com - Specializing in Melungeons,
> > Appalachian/Cumberland, Jackson County Tennessee, and Civil War
Genealogy
> > and History Books
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kathy and Glenn [mailto:]
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:16 PM
> > To: ;
> > Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: DNA website I found
> >
> >
> >
> > > They can link individuals to a common family group but not one
> individual
> > to another individual.
> >
> > I don't know much about DNA and now I'm more confused.
> > If DNA doesn't link one individual to another individual, then why/how
> do
> > they use it in court in paternatiy suits?
> >
> > thanks
> > Kathy R
> >
> >
> >
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