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From: John T <>
Subject: RE: [Melungeon]
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:35:44 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <C5FA5FEED6F0884E9EB90BB3C010F1EF02F95059@etsuex1.etsu.edu>



"Winkler, Wayne" <> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Winkler, Wayne <>>
> Frank writers:
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> "Howdy Wayne and list , Wayne I think you answers completely ignores the historical facts. My questions to you is why did Dromgoole, William Warden and everybody else come to Newman Ridge to begin with? Now another question for you, Who was that family you said was documented as Melungeon who was not from that geographical area? Also, if you believe this what do you mean by the statement above where you say "Newman Ridge was the focal point".Why do you say that. Frank"

Wayne's response- Dromgoole came to Newman's Ridge because she knew she could find Melungeons there. Dromgoole knew of Melungeons, in part, because members of the Tennessee legislature had used the term and pointed her toward Hancock County. . I called the Ridge the focal point because it is and always has been the best known Melungeon location, and because demographer Edward Price traced the migration of Melungeon families from that area into other areas -- such as Graysville in Rhea County.

> The family referred to was the Bolton family in Hamilton County, one of whom was defended by Lewis Shepard in the "Celebrated Melungeon Case." **Howdy again Wayne and list. I want to say my intentions in discussing this is to show proof that this broad Melungeon theory had it's beginning in 1990's . Wayne has just proved my point of contention. He uses only the part of a document in order to save his theory that the Melungeons were in another locations prior to Newman Ridge, when in fact everything he used points to Melungeons descended from East Tennessee and or Newman Ridge. Lets examine his responses. Wayne wrote- I also suggest that Dromgoole, Worden, et al, never say anywhere in their writings that Melungeons were not found in other locations besides Newman's Ridge. ** This statement is pitiful, They did what the Newsmedia do today, go to the source. Wayne how about naming those places and those Melungeons you are suggesting existed that Dromgoole and Worden never !
mentions. It is a great loss they never had MHA to tell them hey, Wise is the hometown of the Melungeons. Wayne writes- Look, if a place has a reputation as a good trout stream, a lot of trout fishermen will go there. That doesn't mean there aren't trout in other streams. ****Pitiful is not the word here. Any Trout fisherman knows the required temperature of the water, etc. where Trout might be located and most often they can go to a certain steam and know if trout are there. Wayne don't leave us in suspense tell us where and who those other Melungeons were when Dromgoole was here. where did they live and who were their names and give us the record where you got you information. We are talking about historical records here not fishing. Wayne writes-The fact that journalists came to Newman's Ridge in no way indicates that Newman's Ridge was the ONLY location where Melungeons could be found. **** This was where they lived because nobody has shown otherwise. To impeach !
this fact one would have to name another group. Wayne tell us how Will Allen Dromgoole knew Vardy Collins and Buck Gibson? and give us a name and place of your Melungeons. Wayne writes: The fact that Shepard documented Melungeons in Hamilton County, **** Wayne here are the facts concerning the 1872 trial. Attorney Shepard proved that the Boltons were not Black but Melungeons from East Tennessee and that their ancestry went back to ancient Carthage. I don't know why anyone would use this to try and prove the Melungeons existed in other places, no one has said the Melungeons did not migrate from Hawkins County. In the Memoirs of Judge Lewis Shepard Chattanooga, he wrote The term Melungeon is an East Tennessee provincialism; it was coined by the people of that county to apply to these people. I don't know for the life of me why anyone would try to use this and claim Melungeons were from somewhere other than East Tennessee. Price documented Melungeons in Graysville, an!
d Doris Ulman documented Melungeons in Kentucky indicates the opposite. **** I guess we are suppose to believe this is your proof. Lets use Price for an example here .Edward T. Price did a Geographic Analysis in 1950 of White-Negro-Indian in the Eastern United States and here is his footnote on first page.Original Schedules of United States Census on file in the National Archives in Washington DC. C.G. Woodsons, free Negro Heads of Families in the United States in 1830., Lets take the Collins for example Using names on census records such as Price does not prove a Collins in Graysville was related to the Melungeon Collins on Newman Ridge. Here is what Price wrote about the Melungeon "The Melungeons centering in Hancock County, Tennessee, are sometimes said to derive from the Croatans, but the comparison of names suggest only a tenuous connection. The Melungeons reached Newman Ridge and Blackwater Valley (In Hancock County) among the first settlers, apparently in the 1790. He!
re is a man in 1950 from Los Angeles State College telling us not only where the Melungeon were located but when they arrived and the president of MHA in 2003 is telling us they existed pror to this somewhere else. *** Why would photographs taken in 1930's prove the Melungeon did not begin on Newman Ridge. Wayne tell us why they had the outdoor Drama, of all places in Sneedville Tennessee. Frank >
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