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From: jon miner <>
Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Spanish, Portuguese, Turkish, Sephardic and other meaningful, non-Indian exotic cultural Presence in NORTH America before 1619
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:19:33 -0800 (PST)
friend9nine9 <> wrote:----- Original Message -----
From: "friend9nine9" <>
>I don't know how long you've been around here, JD,
> but Tim didn't start out as someone who had any idea
> about the Angolan connection.
*** Ok, fair enough, would you please answer some questions for the
> He's a television news story researcher or some kind.
> When he first caught wind of the historical story--which
> has some special significance in his own family history,
> or we probably never would have found it al out
> (especially since Melungeons have been hiding the
> Angolan connection for generations).
*** A news story researcher? What television network did he write articles for?
? Do you know this from first hand knowledge? Name some stories and
who we may contact for this information. Please inform the listners
concerning the Melungeon who have hide their Identy, name some, date and time.
> So, yes, he's biased NOW, but he wasn't when he
> started doing his Goins / Gowen (etc.) research.
*** Have you met this man Tim Ha. personally? How old is he and who's
> And, for the record, plenty of Gowen's (etc.) are not
> happy that it was out of THEIR branch that the truth
> finally leaked!
*** How do you know this truth?, If it's true I'm sure all the
lstners will except this fact as you claim
What is your evidence of this?
> Old-timers on the list were here as Tim's historical
> research started to unfold. He's a careful researcher
> and the facts lie up with real events in history.
*** I was not here but reading from the archive and I thought everyone
agreed they were Primitive Baptist hiding their Jewish heritage. I
thought that was what the DNA showed.
> Try this some nice Sunday afternoon, for example:
> Go to a used / rare bookstore (as I did many times
> when trying to test Tim's version of things), and look
> up in volume after volume of books on Colonial
> American history . . . in books that have an Index.
> Look for "20 odd," "20 and odd," "Twenty odd," and
> "Twenty and odd," in early sections, relating to the first
> Africans to arrive here. Many of the texts I found that
> refer to the 20-odd (and even more do not mention
> them), also mention "Anthony Johnson" or "Antonio
> the Black." Because there were a couple of important
> law suits that he and/or his family was involved in, his
> history is pretty well preserved. Given the dates, he
> was an indenture, not a slave, and probably one of the
> 20-odd, or one who came immediately after them,
> probably from the same captured group, perhaps
> traded later.
*** Yes I have read that and some of the factual follow up history
on them, but no Gowens, were in that group?
> After you get the picture of what happened in historical
> terms, then the pieces start falling in place.
*** Yes that is my heart's desire and the reason for all the
questions, You should be able toa nswer these question since you are convinced Tim is the man, repeat; who's his daddy, when was he born, what award did he win and the TV station, plus the story he won it
for, You owe it to the Listners, thank you very much. JD
> Like I said, I have my copy of Tim's book paid for and
> I look forward to reading it in March.
> Once you've read it, THEN we can debate ir.
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