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From: "friend9nine9" <>
Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Some Popes were women????
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:40:01 -0700
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Hey, Elizabeth!
Don't forget the Borgia's!

My Throckmorton's were Catholics after Henry VIII banned them, but hid it.
They had a famous "Priest Hole" where roaming clergy stayed and where they
took mass. It would have meant death for that to have been discovered, but
apparently the Throckmorton's were somewhat "in your face" about their
determination to resist the "Church of England."

BTW, the Throckmorton's mirror the (Fitz) Randolph's in that one branch in
each case went to Virginia, while another branch of each went to New
England--in each case separated in England by only a couple of generations
apart, and retaining nominal contact for a generation or two on this side of
the Atlantic . . . then drifting into two separate families, all contact and
(apparently) recollection of the other branch lost until the links were dug
up a century and more later.

Curtis friend9




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Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Some Popes were women????


>> yes, I believe some of the popes had been married and then became priests
>> after their wives died---or were rounders and then became priests after
>> they
>> got the "call" (I wonder how many got the call when they saw the
>> shotgun?).
>> Even today, if a man is widowed, he may become a priest in the RC
>> religion.
>>
>> Brenda
>
> Women routinely died earlier than their husbands until after 1914, even
> here in the U.S. Pregnancy and labor were extremely hazardous. Therefore,
> elderly women who had given birth were very rare before about World War
> II.
>
> There are some widowers in the list of Popes. (I can't think of any
> specific ones off the top of my head.) Also, there were several centuries
> in which the folks electing the Popes favored elderly men.
>
> Priesthood wasn't a requirement for a Pope. Until a fairly late date,
> probably sometime in the 1200s, Popes weren't elected by cardinals. There
> were many Popes before 1200 who were picked by whichever ruler controlled
> Rome.
>
> There were some out-and-out criminals during the Middle Ages. One was a
> Pope John, son, grandson and great-grandson (all through bastardy) of
> Popes: he ruled around 970, and died while in bed with a female companion.
> In the late 800s and through almost all the 900s, the city of Rome was
> usually ruled by combative local families who were also fighting about
> whether Rome should return to the control of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman)
> Empire. What I've read about this time reminds me of both reading about
> the Mafia and reading about Berlin during the Cold War.
>
> btw, I am a Catholic. I converted from a Protestant denomination my family
> belonged to because they never agreed on what to convert to.
>
> Elizabeth Whitaker
> South Carolina
>
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