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From: "Joy King" <>
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Illegal Voting Trials- Portuguese
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:52:35 -0400
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Joanne,

Here you go again, I thought it didn't matter what they said.

I don't want to make them anything! We all know they were a mixed group with different genetic ancestries. Descendants of each line have to be genealogically researched and genetically tested to find their direct line specific admixture. However, for whatever reason, you definitely don't want to acknowledge the proven genetic African ancestry in some of the lines. You can rant and rave all you want, and use the *raciest* word with regard to my questions, but I know it's the other way around.

Where are the direct line American Indian DNA results for *any* of the known male or female Melungeons? Where are the DNA results that prove the Portuguese Adventurers story? How do you know the Portuguese they were talking about were not of genetic African ancestry from Portugal? The African ancestry does not necessarily have to be from a slave. It's also obvious you're not a fan of DNA or appreciate what can be learned from it.

As far as two different genetic ancestral *hooked up* lines goes, the child would be genetically *both* ancestries. That's precisely how we get the admixture in each generation! You seem to be confusing genetics with culture.

The white Ross surname Cherokee line can *prove* their Indian ancestry, have *always* lived in the Cherokee Nation and acknowledged their white ancestry as well. However, shouldn't you say the Cherokee are also raciest since they no longer want to accept the descendants of their early Freemen?

I would hope we can agree to disagree on this but, I know you always have to have the last word and will respond to this posting. However, this is my last reply to this thread. I have much more important things to do than continue in an unending circle of conversation.

Joy

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Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Illegal Voting Trials- Portuguese

They said they were Portuguese. Period. It is the same as anyone saying
they were French. No one would question it -- but because they were 'brown'
apparently people (you) want to make them African.

Unless you can find papers where these people were 'freed' from their
masters your African ancestry doesn't hold up. They told everyone -
-reporters, judges, neighbors etc., the were Portuguese yet over and over again we
read that they didn't know their ancestry. The 'Pleckerish' attitude that
existed in the past that wanted to make anyone with brown skin 'African'
with one broad brush appears to be alive and well today.

The Melungeons were Portuguese Adventurers who intermixed with Indians --
and then with blacks and whites. Not 'one day Indian and one day Portuguese'
-- There were thousands of brown people roaming around, what difference
does it make what they were 'called'? If a Frenchman hooked up with an
Indian their children were Indian, not French.... if an Englishman hooked up
with an Indian their children were Indian... but if an African hooked up with
an Indian then their children were African??? How racist is that?

If an African mixed with an Indian -- lived as an Indian -- he was an
Indian. If a Portuguese mixed with an Indian he was an Indian. Just like all
the Ross and other 'white' Cherokee living in Oklahoma are called Indians
NOT white people.

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