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From: "Randy" <>
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Illegal Voting Trials- Portuguese
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:03:31 -0400
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With all due respect to all of our researchers, as a serious genealogist,
one can no longer disregard the value of DNA testing. Of course, the
technology has shortcomings and does not always tell the whole story, but it
is still an extremely valuable tool. And we cannot throw all types of DNA
into one basket; different tests tell us different things. At present, in
my opinion, the most accurate and significant test is the yDNA. This tracks
a specific bloodline from father to father to father, etc. Period. Nothing
else. So that means that my yDNA matches my direct male line forever,
regardless if it's 3 generations back, or 7 generations back, or 37
generations back. And regardless of what surname they carried.
Here's a personal example. When my father and I started our research about
15 years ago, we were told by the old-timers that our line went back to a
James Williams, born 1793, son of a Catherine Williams and an unknown
Cherokee. They also told us that we would never know anything back past
that. Well, based on traditional research methods, they were right, because
once you get back into the 1700's in Virginia, and you are of mixed race,
the paper trail simply does not exist. Not only was record-keeping spotty,
but these people did not WANT to be traced.
So, then I had my yDNA tested. It turns out that I match a line of Martins
who were (surprise) living in the same area in the 1790's in which my
ancestor, James Williams was born. So, obviously, this opens up a whole new
chapter in our research. I still believe that we are part Indian(NA), but I
now know that it does not come through my direct male line (our unknown
Cherokee) because the haplotype is R1a- which is not NA.
So, DNA testing is not just for ancient history. In my instance, it applied
very specifically to a situation which took place 7 generations ago, in the
1790's.
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And again, Portugal is a country which encompasses many races of people.
>From the southern tip of the Iberian Peninsula (Portugal), it is only 14
miles across the Straits of Gibraltar to Africa (Morocco).
http://cruises.about.com/od/europeancruises/ig/Gibraltar/Gibraltar013.htm
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Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Illegal Voting Trials- Portuguese
Joy
I'm glad you have graciously allowed me the last word on this, I
appreciate it very much.
What do you want me to acknowledge that there were Africans in Portugal in
1400? Of course there were -- and they may have been the very people that
accompanied deAyllon, deSoto or Pardo and mixed with the local Indians in
the early 1500s. So what? That was my point -- they then became Indians,
like the WHITE Ross family who are now called Indians. There is a
difference between acknowledging African DNA that could go back a couple of
hundred
generations and making up a history for these people.
They said they were Portuguese -- over and over -- in case after case, all
over this country! Does anyone really believe that a person of African
descent could stand before a judge and jury and convince them he wasn't
African? That these poor people paid off their neighbors, tax men,
sheriffs,
judges and juries? They said they were Portuguese and you Joy have not
produced one scintilla of evidence to prove they were anything else except
a DNA
test that proves they had an African ancestor sometime in the last 300,000
years.
Joanne
"I have been too long barked at to be mindful of the noise."
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