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Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:06:52 -0400
In-Reply-To: <940247.43285.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Jarvis knew them well and represented them in some cases. Jarvis' mother was a
"Collins".

They were accepted as Indians by Jarvis, a well known, respected attorney
(while they were alive), and their descendants are being accepted as Native
American descendants by registered Indian Nations today.



As a well respected attorney who knew them well why did Jarvis not mention they were 'half Indian - half Negro' and why did he not mention Goins or Minor?


Joanne Pezzullo

Historical Melungeon Indians
http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html



-----Original Message-----
From: K T JAMES <>
To:
Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.


Jarvis knew them well and represented them in some cases. Jarvis' mother was a
"Collins".

They were accepted as Indians by Jarvis, a well known, respected attorney
(while they were alive), and their descendants are being accepted as Native
American descendants by registered Indian Nations today.


--- On Thu, 4/28/11, <> wrote:

> From: <>
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
> To:
> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 4:56 PM
>
> Jack wrote;
>
>
> Joanne Most of the people Jarvis named and knew were born
> in 1700. I would
> lay odds Attorney Lewis Jarvis knew all about the Bolton
> case, he and his
> son were attorneys and they pass on cases, especially the
> ones sent to the
> Tennessee Supreme Court. In fact the Tennessee Law books
> purchase by most
> attorneys, list those appealed cases.
>
>
> Tennessee Librarian Mrs John Trotworth Moore quoted a
> letter written by
> Jarvis when he was 83 years old to Walter plecker and names
> the following;
> "I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D. Collins,
> Shepherd Gibson, Paul
> Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and many of the Goodmans, Moore's,
> Williams and
> Sullivan's, all of the very first settles and noted men of
> these friendly
> Indians.
> --------------------
>
>
> Jack you are supposing Jarvis knew about the Bolton
> case. There is nothing to indicate he did, in fact if
> he had known of the Melungeons of Hamilton, Rhea, Wilson,,
> etc, he surely would have mentioned them, he was after all
> giving their history, I would suppose he was not aware of
> them as most of them had moved on by the time Jarvis was
> born. Unless or until a document is discovered that proves
> this one way or another it will remain supposition. If
> Jarvis was the noted expert on Melungeons in Hancock County
> and knew them so intimately the only 'supposition' you can
> make is they were Indians. Period. Jarvis
> wrote;
>
>
> "I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D. Collins,
> Shepherd Gibson, Paul
> Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and many of the Goodmans, Moore's,
> Williams and
> Sullivan's, all of the very first settles and noted men of
> these friendly
> Indians."
>
>
> Everything in their history -- from the 1848 article on
> says they were Indians, no matter what their DNA says.
>
>
> Joanne Pezzullo
>
> Historical Melungeon Indians
> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Goins <>
> To:
> Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> writes;
>
> > The problem with the letter from Jarvis is he is
> speaking only of the
> > Collins, Bunch, Goodman, Gibson and other names he
> mentioned. The people
> > called Melungeons he is speaking of had an entirely
> different history and
> > migration pattern than the ''other Melungeons.''
> He is not
> > taking into consideration the Bolton, Perkins,
> Shuemake, Goins etc.,
> > that were in Hamilton and Wilson Counties CALLED
> MELUNGEONS by 1850,
> > Jarvis did not know their names, their history or
> migration patterns.
>
> Joanne Most of the people Jarvis named and knew were born
> in 1700. I would
> lay odds Attorney Lewis Jarvis knew all about the Bolton
> case, he and his
> son were attorneys and they pass on cases, especially the
> ones sent to the
> Tennessee Supreme Court. In fact the Tennessee Law books
> purchase by most
> attorneys, list those appealed cases.
>
> Tennessee Librarian Mrs John Trotworth Moore quoted a
> letter written by
> Jarvis when he was 83 years old to Walter plecker and names
> the following;
> "I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D. Collins,
> Shepherd Gibson, Paul
> Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and many of the Goodmans, Moore's,
> Williams and
> Sullivan's, all of the very first settles and noted men of
> these friendly
> Indians.
>
> Melungeon is like a "Nick-name" they sometime spread like
> wild fire from the
> place it first began, a good example is the way Lewis
> Shepherd explains in
> his memoirs.
>
> The families mentioned in this case, "the Goins, Shumake,
> Boltons, Perkins,
> Mornings, Menleys, Breedlove & others."These are the
> same people called
> Melungeons in the 1874 trial. Judge Shepherd wrote: "they
> came from South
> Carolina, across the mountains to now Hancock County,
> Tennessee, and spread
> out from there. Shepherd goes on to confirm where they came
> up with the term
> Melungeon in his case.
>
> "The term Melungeon is an East Tennessee provincialism it
> was coined by the
> people of that county to apply to these people."
>
> The oldest written record where the term Melungeon was used
> in a political
> campaign describes one as " a scoundrel who is half Indian
> and half Negro."
> This article was published 7 October 1840 in the Jonesboro
> Whig by William
> Ganaway "Parsons" Brownlow, a minister of the gospel.
> I am convinced he
> heard this term Malungeon in his many travels to Hawkins
> County. and most
> likely he, or his campaign manager were the one who started
> the illegal
> voting dispute, since he was the loser in that 1845
> election.
>
> The news media which included Brownlow began spreading this
> term so anyone
> who looked half white/black may have been given this name,
> another example
> of this description is in Edward Guerrant Civil War Journal
> after he came
> through Hancock County, but not enough information to show
> anything except
> his definition of a Melungeon was half white and half black
> and according to
> his example they were depicted as bad people. How did he
> know this
> description? This word had not made the dictionaries at
> this date.
>
> In the oldest written records, Melungeon was defined as
> being part Negro.
> The first known written visit to Vardy Valley was in 1848;
> "The Melungeons
> carefully preserved the Legend of their history.This
> ‘Legend’ according to
> the writer in Littell’s Living age, included an original
> descent from
> Portuguese adventures who later mixed with whites,
> Indians,and negroes.
>
> As you know this article was published in several
> newspapers across the
> United state and people began referring to dark skin people
> in various
> communities as Melungeons.
>
> After the Civil War most East Tennessee Congressmen and
> senators were
> referred to as Melungeons.
>
> If Melungeons were in all the places you have listed on
> your website it
> would be a race, it is pretty obvious who some of the
> reporters were, who
> spread this word.
>
> After the 1848 visit to Vardy Valley. Vardy Collins
> descendants were
> revisited about 50 years later."On Friday forenoon, July 2,
> (1897) C.H.
> Humble the writer and Rev. Joseph Hamilton, of Parkersburg,
> West Virginia,
> started in a hack from Cumberland Gap, Tennessee for Beatty
> Collins, chief
> of the Melungeons in Blackwater.
>
> When Humble ask Beatty Collins son, who was a school
> teacher, about the
> Melungeons he strongly resented its application to his
> people and replied "
> We are a Pure Blood, meaning at least that they didn’t
> have Negro blood in
> their veins." As revealed in this interview by C. H.
> Humble, Melungeon
> implied Negro blood, a term they never used, or accepted as
> their identity
> and neither did they pass it down to their children, or
> grand children.
>
> Humble reference to Beatty Collins as chief of the
> Melungeons in Blackwater,
> which appears to have stuck to this family from the 1848
> article. "Ole Vardy
> is chief cook and bottle-washer'of the Melungeons."
>
> A Clan name is a nickname and is usually only known to
> neighborhood where it
> began, as described by Edward T. Price in his 1950 study of
> the clans, which
> included the Melungeons.
>
> I was not the originator of this theory a researcher who
> was not Melungeon
> related was in the Archive and he said my opinion is after
> the first
> description of a Melungeon began to spread this label was
> put on dark skin
> settlements and most of them did not know they were labeled
> Melungeon. And I
> will add especially a political rally or conference like
> the one in
> Richmond.
>
> Jack
>
>
> >
> > Historical Melungeon Indians
> > http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jack Goins <>
> > To:
> > Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55 am
> > Subject: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
> >
> >
> > It is almost impossible to write an email on this
> subject without being
> > misquoted, so for clarification on my previous post on
> land grants and
> > migration with the white settlers. And for any of you
> who may be new to
> > the list. This is a portion of a letter from the
> Hancock County Times,
> > Sneedville, TN 4/17/1903 written by Lewis M. Jarvis,
> who was then an
> > Attorney. Lewis M. Jarvis was also a Captain in Co E,
> 8th Tennessee
> > Vol. Cavalry, Union Army. and was personally
> acquainted with Vardy
> > Collins and other Melungeons he names in this
> letter. "Much has
> > been said and written about the inhabitants of
> Newman's Ridge and
> > Blackwater in Hancock County, Tenn. They have been
> derisively dubbed
> > with the name "Melungeons" by the local white people
> who have lived
> > here with them. It is not a traditional name or tribe
> of Indians. Some
> > have said these people were here when the white people
> first explored
> > this country. Others say they are a lost tribe of the
> Indians having no
> > date of their existence here, traditionally or
> otherwise. All of this
> > however, is erroneous and cannot be sustained. These
> people, not any of
> > them were here at the time the first white hunting
> party came from
> > Virginia and North Carolina in the year 1761-- the
> noted Daniel Boone
> > was at the head of one of these hunting parties and
> went on through
> > Cumberland Gap.---they came here simultaneously with
> the white people
> > not earlier than 1795." In 2005 I formed a group
> called Friends of The
> > Hawkins County Archive Project, and was appointed
> Archivist by the
> > Hawkins County Commissioners. The old records from the
> basement of our
> > old Court house was moved to the placed designated to
> be the archive.
> > These records date back to 1787 and up until
> 1844 Hancock County was
> > part of Hawkins County, but due to a border dispute
> and other factors
> > the illegal voting trials were held in Hawkins County,
> they began in
> > 1846 and ended 1848, these Circuit Court records would
> have been lost
> > due the Hancock County Court house being
> destroyed by fire,at least 3
> > times. We were fortunate to find the 1845 election
> results where they
> > were charged for illegal voting as free persons of
> color. In this
> > election William G. Brownlow lost to Andrew Johnson.
> This included the
> > most famous Vardy Collins, along with Zachariah Minor,
> his brother and
> > other Collins. This is our 7th year and many of
> the first volunteers
> > are still here. All of you are wel! come
> to research our archives, to
> > view our archive click on this link, select Government
> then Hawkins
> > County Archive. Instead of charging a fee for copying
> records we ask
> > for a reasonable donation. The Chancery Court link is
> > down.Jackhttp://www.hawkinscountytn.gov/
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