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From: K T JAMES <>
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:14:44 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <8CDD407B6DA0498-1D58-148CF@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>


Sorry, Joanne, I don't know.

--- On Thu, 4/28/11, <> wrote:

> From: <>
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
> To:
> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 6:06 PM
>
>
> Jarvis knew them well and represented them in some
> cases.  Jarvis' mother was a
> "Collins".
>
> They were accepted as Indians by Jarvis, a well known,
> respected attorney 
> (while they were alive),  and their descendants are
> being accepted as Native
> American descendants by registered Indian Nations today.
>
>
>
> As a well respected attorney who knew them well why did
> Jarvis not mention they were 'half Indian - half Negro' and
> why did he not mention Goins or Minor?
>
>
> Joanne Pezzullo
>
> Historical Melungeon Indians
> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K T JAMES <>
> To:
> Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:06 pm
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
>
>
> Jarvis knew them well and represented them in some
> cases.  Jarvis' mother was a
> "Collins".
>
> They were accepted as Indians by Jarvis, a well known,
> respected attorney 
> (while they were alive),  and their descendants are
> being accepted as Native
> American descendants by registered Indian Nations today.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/28/11,
> <>
> wrote:
>
> > From:
> <>
> > Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
> > To:
> > Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 4:56 PM
> >
> > Jack wrote;
> >
> >
> > Joanne Most of the people Jarvis named and knew were
> born
> > in 1700. I would
> > lay odds Attorney Lewis Jarvis knew all about the
> Bolton
> > case, he and his
> > son were attorneys and they pass on cases, especially
> the
> > ones sent to the
> > Tennessee Supreme Court. In fact the Tennessee Law
> books
> > purchase by most
> > attorneys, list those appealed cases.
> >
> >
> > Tennessee Librarian Mrs John Trotworth Moore quoted a
> > letter written by
> > Jarvis when he was 83 years old to Walter plecker and
> names
> > the following;
> > "I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D. Collins,
> > Shepherd Gibson, Paul
> > Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and many of the Goodmans,
> Moore's,
> > Williams and
> > Sullivan's, all of the very first settles and noted
> men of
> > these friendly
> > Indians.
> > --------------------
> >
> >
> > Jack you are supposing Jarvis knew about the Bolton
> > case.  There is nothing to indicate he did, in
> fact if
> > he had known of the Melungeons of Hamilton, Rhea,
> Wilson,,
> > etc, he surely would have mentioned them, he was after
> all
> > giving their history, I would suppose he was not aware
> of
> > them as most of them had moved on by the time Jarvis
> was
> > born. Unless or until a document is discovered that
> proves
> > this one way or another it will remain
> supposition.  If
> > Jarvis was the noted expert on Melungeons in Hancock
> County
> > and knew them so intimately the only 'supposition' you
> can
> > make is they were Indians.  Period.  Jarvis
> > wrote;
> >
> >
> > "I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D. Collins,
> > Shepherd Gibson, Paul
> > Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and many of the Goodmans,
> Moore's,
> > Williams and
> > Sullivan's, all of the very first settles and noted
> men of
> > these friendly
> > Indians."
> >
> >
> > Everything in their history -- from the 1848 article
> on
> > says they were Indians, no matter what their DNA
> says.
> >
> >
> > Joanne Pezzullo
> > 
> > Historical Melungeon Indians
> > http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jack Goins <>
> > To:
> > Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:49 pm
> > Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <>
> > writes;
> >
> > > The problem with the letter from Jarvis is he is
> > speaking only of the
> > > Collins, Bunch, Goodman, Gibson and other names
> he
> > mentioned. The people
> > > called Melungeons he is speaking of had an
> entirely
> > different history and
> > > migration pattern than the ''other Melungeons.''
>
> > He is not
> > > taking into consideration the Bolton, Perkins,
> > Shuemake, Goins etc.,
> > > that were in Hamilton and Wilson Counties CALLED
> > MELUNGEONS by 1850,
> > > Jarvis did not know their names, their history
> or
> > migration patterns.
> >
> > Joanne Most of the people Jarvis named and knew were
> born
> > in 1700. I would
> > lay odds Attorney Lewis Jarvis knew all about the
> Bolton
> > case, he and his
> > son were attorneys and they pass on cases, especially
> the
> > ones sent to the
> > Tennessee Supreme Court. In fact the Tennessee Law
> books
> > purchase by most
> > attorneys, list those appealed cases.
> >
> > Tennessee Librarian Mrs John Trotworth Moore quoted a
> > letter written by
> > Jarvis when he was 83 years old to Walter plecker and
> names
> > the following;
> > "I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D. Collins,
> > Shepherd Gibson, Paul
> > Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and many of the Goodmans,
> Moore's,
> > Williams and
> > Sullivan's, all of the very first settles and noted
> men of
> > these friendly
> > Indians.
> >
> > Melungeon is like a "Nick-name" they sometime spread
> like
> > wild fire from the
> > place it first began, a good example is the way Lewis
> > Shepherd explains in
> > his memoirs.
> >
> > The families mentioned in this case, "the Goins,
> Shumake,
> > Boltons, Perkins,
> > Mornings, Menleys, Breedlove & others."These are
> the
> > same people called
> > Melungeons in the 1874 trial. Judge Shepherd wrote:
> "they
> > came from South
> > Carolina, across the mountains to now Hancock County,
> > Tennessee, and spread
> > out from there. Shepherd goes on to confirm where they
> came
> > up with the term
> > Melungeon in his case.
> >
> > "The term Melungeon is an East Tennessee provincialism
> it
> > was coined by the
> > people of that county to apply to these people."
> >
> > The oldest written record where the term Melungeon was
> used
> > in a political
> > campaign describes one as " a scoundrel who is half
> Indian
> > and half Negro."
> > This article was published 7 October 1840 in the
> Jonesboro
> > Whig by William
> > Ganaway "Parsons" Brownlow, a minister of the gospel.
>
> > I am convinced he
> > heard this term Malungeon in his many travels to
> Hawkins
> > County. and most
> > likely he, or his campaign manager were the one who
> started
> > the illegal
> > voting dispute, since he was the loser in that 1845
> > election.
> >
> > The news media which included Brownlow began spreading
> this
> > term so anyone
> > who looked half white/black may have been given this
> name,
> > another  example
> > of this description is in Edward Guerrant Civil War
> Journal
> > after he came
> > through Hancock County, but not enough information to
> show
> > anything except
> > his definition of a Melungeon was half white and half
> black
> > and according to
> > his example they were depicted as bad people. How did
> he
> > know this
> > description? This word had not made the dictionaries
> at
> > this date.
> >
> > In the oldest written records, Melungeon was defined
> as
> > being part Negro.
> > The first known written visit to Vardy Valley was in
> 1848;
> > "The Melungeons
> > carefully preserved the Legend of their history.This
> > ‘Legend’ according to
> > the writer in Littell’s Living age, included an
> original
> > descent from
> > Portuguese adventures who later mixed with whites,
> > Indians,and negroes.
> >
> > As you know this article was published in several
> > newspapers across the
> > United state and people began referring to dark skin
> people
> > in various
> > communities as Melungeons.
> >
> > After the Civil War most East Tennessee Congressmen
> and
> > senators were
> > referred to as Melungeons.
> >
> > If Melungeons were in all the places you have listed
> on
> > your website it
> > would be a race, it is pretty obvious who some of the
> > reporters were, who
> > spread this word.
> >
> > After the 1848 visit to Vardy Valley.  Vardy
> Collins
> > descendants were
> > revisited about 50 years later."On Friday forenoon,
> July 2,
> > (1897) C.H.
> > Humble the writer and Rev. Joseph Hamilton, of
> Parkersburg,
> > West Virginia,
> > started in a hack from Cumberland Gap, Tennessee for
> Beatty
> > Collins, chief
> > of the Melungeons in Blackwater.
> >
> > When Humble ask Beatty Collins son, who was a school
> > teacher, about the
> > Melungeons he strongly resented its application to
> his
> > people and replied "
> > We are a Pure Blood, meaning at least that they
> didn’t
> > have Negro blood in
> > their veins." As revealed in this interview by C. H.
> > Humble, Melungeon
> > implied Negro blood, a term they never used, or
> accepted as
> > their identity
> > and neither did they pass it down to their children,
> or
> > grand children.
> >
> > Humble reference to Beatty Collins as chief of the
> > Melungeons in Blackwater,
> > which appears to have stuck to this family from the
> 1848
> > article. "Ole Vardy
> > is chief cook and bottle-washer'of the Melungeons."
> >
> > A Clan name is a nickname and is usually only known
> to
> > neighborhood where it
> > began, as described by Edward T. Price in his 1950
> study of
> > the clans, which
> > included the Melungeons.
> >
> > I was not the originator of this theory a researcher
> who
> > was not Melungeon
> > related was in the Archive and he said my opinion is
> after
> > the first
> > description of a Melungeon began to spread this label
> was
> > put on dark skin
> > settlements and most of them did not know they were
> labeled
> > Melungeon. And I
> > will add especially a political rally or conference
> like
> > the one in
> > Richmond.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Historical Melungeon Indians
> > > http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jack Goins <>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55 am
> > > Subject: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
> > >
> > >
> > > It is almost impossible to write an email on
> this
> > subject without being
> > > misquoted, so for clarification on my previous
> post on
> > land grants and
> > > migration with the white settlers. And for any of
> you
> > who may be new to
> > > the list. This is a portion of a letter from the
> > Hancock County Times,
> > > Sneedville, TN 4/17/1903 written by Lewis M.
> Jarvis,
> > who was then an
> > > Attorney. Lewis M. Jarvis was also a Captain in
> Co E,
> > 8th Tennessee
> > > Vol. Cavalry, Union Army. and was personally
> > acquainted with Vardy
> > > Collins and other Melungeons he names in this
> > letter.     "Much has
> > > been said and written about the inhabitants of
> > Newman's Ridge and
> > > Blackwater in Hancock County, Tenn. They have
> been
> > derisively dubbed
> > > with the name "Melungeons" by the local white
> people
> > who have lived
> > > here with them. It is not a traditional name or
> tribe
> > of Indians. Some
> > > have said these people were here when the white
> people
> > first explored
> > > this country. Others say they are a lost tribe of
> the
> > Indians having no
> > > date of their existence here, traditionally or
> > otherwise. All of this
> > > however, is erroneous and cannot be sustained.
> These
> > people, not any of
> > > them were here at the time the first white
> hunting
> > party came from
> > > Virginia and North Carolina in the year 1761--
> the
> > noted Daniel Boone
> > > was at the head of one of these hunting parties
> and
> > went on through
> > > Cumberland Gap.---they came here simultaneously
> with
> > the white people
> > > not earlier than 1795." In 2005 I formed a group
> > called Friends of The
> > > Hawkins County Archive Project, and was
> appointed
> > Archivist by the
> > > Hawkins County Commissioners. The old records
> from the
> > basement of our
> > > old Court house was moved to the placed
> designated to
> > be the archive.
> > > These records  date back to 1787 and up
> until
> > 1844 Hancock County was
> > > part of Hawkins County, but due to a border
> dispute
> > and other factors
> > > the illegal voting trials were held in Hawkins
> County,
> > they began in
> > > 1846 and ended 1848, these Circuit Court records
> would
> > have been lost
> > > due the Hancock County Court house  being
> > destroyed by fire,at least 3
> > > times. We were fortunate to find the 1845
> election
> > results where they
> > > were charged for illegal voting as free persons
> of
> > color. In this
> > > election William G. Brownlow lost to Andrew
> Johnson.
> > This included the
> > > most famous Vardy Collins, along with Zachariah
> Minor,
> > his brother and
> > > other Collins.  This is our 7th year and
> many of
> > the first volunteers
> > > are still here. All  of  you are wel!
> come
> > to research our archives, to
> > > view our archive click on this link, select
> Government
> > then Hawkins
> > > County Archive. Instead of charging a fee for
> copying
> > records we ask
> > > for a reasonable donation. The Chancery Court
> link is
> > > down.Jackhttp://www.hawkinscountytn.gov/
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