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Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:38:23 -0400
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***The operational word here as far as I am concerned and should be
pointed out as well was they were not all found guilty. Some were
acquitted and Vardy was "nol processed". Can we just refrain from
trying to determine why Vardy decided to just pay the fine rather than
go into Rogersville. Perhaps he saw it as a waste of time since the
rest of his family was acquitted. Maybe like when I got a traffic
ticket (for real) and I decided to pay up instead of "showing up".
Does that make me guiltier. No.


Or maybe since it was not long after the Indian removal Vardy simply
did not want to have to go to court and prove his ancestors were
Indians.



Joanne Pezzullo
 
Historical Melungeon Indians
http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html


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Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.


***The operational word here as far as I am concerned and should be
pointed out as well was they were not all found guilty. Some were
acquitted and Vardy was "nol processed". Can we just refrain from
trying to determine why Vardy decided to just pay the fine rather than
go into Rogersville. Perhaps he saw it as a waste of time since the
rest of his family was acquitted. Maybe like when I got a traffic
ticket (for real) and I decided to pay up instead of "showing up".
Does that make me guiltier. No. --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Jack Goins
<> wrote:> From: Jack Goins <>> Subject:
Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.> To: > Date:
Thursday, April 28, 2011, 8:31 PM> > ----- Original Message ----- >
From: <>> > -The news media which included
Brownlow began> spreading this term so > > anyone> > who looked half
white/black may have been given this> name,> > -When Humble ask Beatty
Collins son, who was a school> teacher, about the> > Melungeons he
strongly resented its application to his> people and replied > > "> >
We are a Pure Blood, meaning at least that they> didn’t have Negro
blood in> > their veins." As revealed in this interview by C. H.>
Humble, Melungeon> > implied Negro blood> > > These are assumptions
Jack.  You have no idea if> Jarvis knew about the > > Bolton case or
not. We have no idea where Brownlow> heard the word, or who > > started
the illegal voting dispute. If Brownlow was> aware of all these > >
half Indian-half Negroes in Hancock in 1840 you would> think he would
have > > made sure they didn't vote in August of 1845 or at> least
dispute it in > > August and not wait til January.> > ### No Joaane you
are making the assumptions.  It> plainy says in this > indictment the
charges were for voting in  the> election held in August 1845 > for
Governor and Rep. The judges of the election made the> decision to
allow > them to vote, the person who filed the charges was not> named.
The losers are > normally the ones who challenge an election, that's
not an> assumption. The > hearing where this was bound over to the
Grand Jury was> most likely in 1845 > we have not located the hearing.
We have the records where> this was turned > over to the Grand Jury and
their descision and the names of> the Grand Jury > who found them
guilty, or you might say enough evidence to> have them stand > trial.>
> Joanne wrote:>   Humble 'assumed' Beatty Collins 'meant' "at least>
that they didn’t have > Negro blood in their veins" and you assumed it
'implied'> Melungeon meant > Negro blood.  But how do you know Beatty
Collins> didn't mean they were 'Pure > Blood' as in full blooded
Indians -- and not mixed with> anything including > whites.  He was
proud of his Cherokee ancestors.> > ## All of this paragraph was Humble
speaking.including> meaning at least that > they didn’t have Negro
blood in their veins, as below,> > "When Humble ask Beatty Collins son,
who was a school> teacher, about the> > Melungeons he strongly resented
its application to his> people and replied > > "> > We are a Pure
Blood, meaning at least that they> didn’t have Negro blood in> > their
veins."> > This above statement by Humble is not an assumption by me.>
This was my > conclusion from his statement :  As revealed in this>
interview by C. H. > Humble, Melungeon> implied Negro blood.> > >> >> >
Walter Plecker was100+years after the fact - he wrote> to Tennessee
State > > Archives who passed it on to Mrs. John Trotwood Moore> -- why
didn't she > > know about the Boltons etc.?  Obviously she was> only
familiar with Lewis > > Jarvis and not Lewis Shepherd -- > >> Joanne
Pezzullo> > ### Right long enough that he and Moore would have known>
who the Melungeon > were.  Jack> > > > Historical Melungeon Indians> >
http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html>; >> >> >> >
-----Original Message-----> > From: Jack Goins <>> > To:
> > Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00 pm> > Subject:
Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message
----- > > From: <>> > To:
<>> >> Jack you are supposing Jarvis knew about
the> Bolton case.  There is> >> nothing to indicate he did, in fact if
he had> known of the Melungeons of> >> Hamilton, Rhea, Wilson,, etc, he
surely would have> mentioned them, he was> >> after all giving their
history, I would suppose he> was not aware of them> >> as most of them
had moved on by the time Jarvis> was born. Unless or until> >> a
document is discovered that proves this one way> or another it will> >>
remain supposition.  If Jarvis was the noted> expert on Melungeons in>
>> Hancock County and knew them so intimately the> only 'supposition'
you can> >> make is they were Indians.  Period. > Jarvis wrote;> >> >>
"I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D.> Collins, Shepherd
Gibson,> >> Paul> >> Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and many of the
Goodmans,> Moore's, Williams and> >> Sullivan's, all of the very first
settles and> noted men of these friendly> >> Indians."> >> > Joanne I'm
not assuming anything, I'm just the> messenger. You are missing> > the
most important points of this issue. #1- Why did> Walter Plecker write>
> this letter to the Tennessee State Archives inquiring> about who the>
> Melungeons were?  # 2- Why did the State> Librarian use Lewis Jarvis
to> > describe and indentify the Melungeons?  #3 > Just because Jarvis
didn't> > mention the Boltons and others in that trial, or the> ones in
Rhae and > > Wilson> > does not prove he didn't know about the >
trial.  Why didn't the State> > Lirarian and Archivist Mrs. John
Triotworth Moore know> about the ones in> > Wilson and Rhae? My opinion
is, both Jarvis and the> State Librarian did > > not> > believe those
people were Melungeon.  Jack> >>> >> Everything in their history --
from the 1848> article on says they were> >> Indians, no matter what
their DNA says.> >>> >>> >> Joanne Pezzullo> >>> >> Historical
Melungeon Indians> >> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html>;
>>> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: Jack Goins
<>> >> To: > >> Sent: Thu, Apr 28,
2011 3:49 pm> >> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.> >>> >>>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From:
<>> writes;> >>> >>> The problem with the letter
from Jarvis is he> is speaking only of the> >>> Collins, Bunch,
Goodman, Gibson and other> names he mentioned. The people> >>> called
Melungeons he is speaking of had an> entirely different history > >>>
and> >>> migration pattern than the ''other> Melungeons.''  He is not>
>>> taking into consideration the Bolton, Perkins,> Shuemake, Goins
etc.,> >>> that were in Hamilton and Wilson Counties> CALLED MELUNGEONS
by 1850,> >>> Jarvis did not know their names, their history> or
migration patterns.> >>> >> Joanne Most of the people Jarvis named and
knew> were born in 1700. I > >> would> >> lay odds Attorney Lewis
Jarvis knew all about the> Bolton case, he and his> >> son were
attorneys and they pass on cases,> especially the ones sent to > >>
the> >> Tennessee Supreme Court. In fact the Tennessee Law> books
purchase by most> >> attorneys, list those appealed cases.> >>> >>
Tennessee Librarian Mrs John Trotworth Moore> quoted a letter written
by> >> Jarvis when he was 83 years old to Walter plecker> and names the
> >> following;> >> "I personally knew Vardy Collins, Solomon D.>
Collins, Shepherd Gibson,> >> Paul> >> Bunch and Benjamin Bunch and
many of the Goodmans,> Moore's, Williams and> >> Sullivan's, all of the
very first settles and> noted men of these friendly> >> Indians.> >>>
>> Melungeon is like a "Nick-name" they sometime> spread like wild fire
from> >> the> >> place it first began, a good example is the way> Lewis
Shepherd explains > >> in> >> his memoirs.> >>> >> The families
mentioned in this case, "the Goins,> Shumake, Boltons,> >> Perkins,> >>
Mornings, Menleys, Breedlove & others."These> are the same people
called> >> Melungeons in the 1874 trial. Judge Shepherd> wrote: "they
came from South> >> Carolina, across the mountains to now Hancock>
County, Tennessee, and> >> spread> >> out from there. Shepherd goes on
to confirm where> they came up with the> >> term> >> Melungeon in his
case.> >>> >> "The term Melungeon is an East Tennessee> provincialism
it was coined by> >> the> >> people of that county to apply to these
people."> >>> >> The oldest written record where the term Melungeon>
was used in a > >> political> >> campaign describes one as " a
scoundrel who is> half Indian and half> >> Negro."> >> This article was
published 7 October 1840 in the> Jonesboro Whig by > >> William> >>
Ganaway "Parsons" Brownlow, a minister of the> gospel.  I am convinced
he> >> heard this term Malungeon in his many travels to> Hawkins
County. and most> >> likely he, or his campaign manager were the one>
who started the illegal> >> voting dispute, since he was the loser in
that> 1845 election.> >>> >> The news media which included Brownlow
began> spreading this term so > >> anyone> >> who looked half
white/black may have been given> this name, another> >> example> >> of
this description is in Edward Guerrant Civil> War Journal after he
came> >> through Hancock County, but not enough information> to show
anything > >> except> >> his definition of a Melungeon was half white
and> half black and according> >> to> >> his example they were depicted
as bad people. How> did he know this> >> description? This word had not
made the> dictionaries at this date.> >>> >> In the oldest written
records, Melungeon was> defined as being part Negro.> >> The first
known written visit to Vardy Valley was> in 1848; "The > >> Melungeons>
>> carefully preserved the Legend of their> history.This ‘Legend’
according > >> to> >> the writer in Littell’s Living age, included an>
original descent from> >> Portuguese adventures who later mixed with
whites,> Indians,and negroes.> >>> >> As you know this article was
published in several> newspapers across the> >> United state and people
began referring to dark> skin people in various> >> communities as
Melungeons.> >>> >> After the Civil War most East Tennessee>
Congressmen and senators were> >> referred to as Melungeons.> >>> >> If
Melungeons were in all the places you have> listed on your website it>
>> would be a race, it is pretty obvious who some of> the reporters
were, who> >> spread this word.> >>> >> After the 1848 visit to Vardy
Valley.  Vardy> Collins descendants were> >> revisited about 50 years
later."On Friday> forenoon, July 2, (1897) C.H.> >> Humble the writer
and Rev. Joseph Hamilton, of> Parkersburg, West > >> Virginia,> >>
started in a hack from Cumberland Gap, Tennessee> for Beatty Collins, >
>> chief> >> of the Melungeons in Blackwater.> >>> >> When Humble ask
Beatty Collins son, who was a> school teacher, about the> >> Melungeons
he strongly resented its application to> his people and replied> >> ">
>> We are a Pure Blood, meaning at least that they> didn’t have Negro
blood > >> in> >> their veins." As revealed in this interview by C.> H.
Humble, Melungeon> >> implied Negro blood, a term they never used, or>
accepted as their > >> identity> >> and neither did they pass it down
to their> children, or grand children.> >>> >> Humble reference to
Beatty Collins as chief of the> Melungeons in> >> Blackwater,> >> which
appears to have stuck to this family from> the 1848 article. "Ole> >>
Vardy> >> is chief cook and bottle-washer'of the> Melungeons."> >>> >>
A Clan name is a nickname and is usually only> known to neighborhood
where> >> it> >> began, as described by Edward T. Price in his 1950>
study of the clans,> >> which> >> included the Melungeons.> >>> >> I
was not the originator of this theory a> researcher who was not > >>
Melungeon> >> related was in the Archive and he said my opinion> is
after the first> >> description of a Melungeon began to spread this>
label was put on dark > >> skin> >> settlements and most of them did
not know they> were labeled Melungeon. > >> And> >> I> >> will add
especially a political rally or> conference like the one in> >>
Richmond.> >>> >> Jack> >>> >>> >>>> >>> Historical Melungeon Indians>
>>> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html>; >>>> >>>> >>>
-----Original Message-----> >>> From: Jack Goins <>> >>>
To: > >>> Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55 am> >>>
Subject: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.> >>>> >>>> >>> It is almost
impossible to write an email on> this subject without being> >>>
misquoted, so for clarification on my previous> post on land grants
and> >>> migration with the white settlers. And for any> of you who may
be new to> >>> the list. This is a portion of a letter from> the
Hancock County Times,> >>> Sneedville, TN 4/17/1903 written by Lewis
M.> Jarvis, who was then an> >>> Attorney. Lewis M. Jarvis was also a
Captain> in Co E, 8th Tennessee> >>> Vol. Cavalry, Union Army. and was
personally> acquainted with Vardy> >>> Collins and other Melungeons he
names in this> letter.     "Much has> >>> been said and written about
the inhabitants of> Newman's Ridge and> >>> Blackwater in Hancock
County, Tenn. They have> been derisively dubbed> >>> with the name
"Melungeons" by the local white> people who have lived> >>> here with
them. It is not a traditional name> or tribe of Indians. Some> >>> have
said these people were here when the> white people first explored> >>>
this country. Others say they are a lost tribe> of the Indians having
no> >>> date of their existence here, traditionally or> otherwise. All
of this> >>> however, is erroneous and cannot be sustained.> These
people, not any of> >>> them were here at the time the first white>
hunting party came from> >>> Virginia and North Carolina in the year
1761--> the noted Daniel Boone> >>> was at the head of one of these
hunting> parties and went on through> >>> Cumberland Gap.---they came
here> simultaneously with the white people> >>> not earlier than 1795."
In 2005 I formed a> group called Friends of The> >>> Hawkins County
Archive Project, and was> appointed Archivist by the> >>> Hawkins
County Commissioners. The old records> from the basement of our> >>>
old Court house was moved to the placed> designated to be the archive.>
>>> These records  date back to 1787 and up> until 1844 Hancock County
was> >>> part of Hawkins County, but due to a border> dispute and other
factors> >>> the illegal voting trials were held in Hawkins> County,
they began in> >>> 1846 and ended 1848, these Circuit Court> records
would have been lost> >>> due the Hancock County Court house  being>
destroyed by fire,at least 3> >>> times. We were fortunate to find the
1845> election results where they> >>> were charged for illegal voting
as free> persons of color. In this> >>> election William G. Brownlow
lost to Andrew> Johnson. This included the> >>> most famous Vardy
Collins, along with> Zachariah Minor, his brother and> >>> other
Collins.  This is our 7th year and> many of the first volunteers> >>>
are still here. All  of  you are> wel! come to research our archives,
to> >>> view our archive click on this link, select> Government then
Hawkins> >>> County Archive. Instead of charging a fee for> copying
records we ask> >>> for a reasonable donation. The Chancery Court> link
is> >>> down.Jackhttp://www.hawkinscountytn.gov/>; >>>>
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